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27 May 2023, 1:10 pm

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Hitler made no secret about his thoughts on Jews especially throughout his career.


Many transphobes consistently make their thoughts on transpeople known, even on this website.

They try to insist their murders are all just random, that any discrimination they face isn't real and that they deserve to be denied treatments.

And they try to claim that they don't hate trans people because they speak to one at work. It's like racists who claim to be friends with one person of color.

They don't "hate" them; they just dislike everything that has to do with being trans and don't believe in accommodating them in any way. :roll:


More personal attacks I see.


It's just a fair and perfectly valid observation. Report it if you think it's a personal attack.


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27 May 2023, 1:10 pm

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If you believe in this, why not get into a boxing match with a male to female trans boxer?.....or wil lyou get cold feet?


Does she even box bro? :lol:

I don't currently. Is that something I should reconsider? :lol: Maybe it's not too far removed from arm wrestling.


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27 May 2023, 1:11 pm

Twilightprincess wrote:
Nades wrote:
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funeralxempire wrote:
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Hitler made no secret about his thoughts on Jews especially throughout his career.


Many transphobes consistently make their thoughts on transpeople known, even on this website.

They try to insist their murders are all just random, that any discrimination they face isn't real and that they deserve to be denied treatments.

And they try to claim that they don't hate trans people because they speak to one at work.

They don't "hate" them; they just dislike everything that has to do with being trans and don't believe in accommodating them in any way. :roll:


I don't like the thought of giving hormone drugs to kids or letting male to female trans people compete against women. That's pretty much all my gripes.

If you believe in this, why not get into a boxing match with a male to female trans boxer?.....or wil lyou get cold feet?

Why would I want to take up boxing? I don't like violent sports.


I'm sure the biological female boxers who get battered senseless by male to female trans boxers suddenly think that too in the middle of a match.

A Brazilian boxer end up with a skull fracture after a similar fight.



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27 May 2023, 1:13 pm

Answering various comments.

I am not saying we are where Nazi Germany got to. I said we are not even at the Nuremberg Laws stage. Despite my usual being offended by Nazi comparisons what has spooked me and prompted me to start this thread were these things. The speed at which this is happening. A year or so when Florida passed the “Don’t Say Gay” law that law said nothing about not saying gay and it was limited kindergarten to third graders. Now he is messing around with academic freedom in colleges. At first the Drag Show regulations were about not having those around children. Now on occasion Drag Shows in Adult establishments are being messed with. I am not saying the end result is concentration camps but at the rate this is going who knows where it ends. 1/8th as bad as Nazi Germany that is still horrific.

The other element that has me spooked is the level of incitement, specifically the word groomer being thrown around so recklessly. That is the most horrific accusation one can use. It means pedophiles who prepare children for the crime they are going to do to them. For most people their child being groomed is going to provoke a do anything to prevent their child becoming a victim of some pedo’s fantasy and ask questions later, the hell with consequences for innocents reaction.

Most anti trans people are just regular folks who do not want trans people lynched, legitimately feel they are “sick”, and do want their young children taught what they believe is age inappropriate and wrong, don’t want to have a uncomfortable meeting with human resources or worse because they misgendered people. I can see why people see these laws as the lesser of two evils. I don’t agree. The wokes have intentionally provoked with the intent of causing an overreaction to have their view gain validation. It is the long view that probably will be proven right. Hope they are not the short or medium term victims. Either way is a nightmare the right probably being the greater of two evils is no comfort. Somebody mentioned the Nazis eventually lost, necessary but nothing to celebrate due to the cost.

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I have never given my personal views on the trans issue because I am not confident in my opinions because sometimes they conflict. I am cis, straight baby boomer who grew up binary gender world where transgender and transvestite meant the same thing and transvestites meant gay. So these pronouns are confusing, Drag shows for children make me queasy but I was under the false impression it was a super progressive area thing. Pretty shocked to read about them being held in rural red areas. Yes it has all seem to come out of nowhere at dizzying speed. But I am a person who was diagnosed with autism at age 55 so who the f**k am I to claim it is a fad or some commie plot to destroy America? Maybe those girls we called tomboys were transgender and did not know because we were all literally ignorant back then, maybe they were tomboys, I have no clue. Grooming is not happening at children drag shows. Anybody that does that would get the s**t kicked out of them and it would be endlessly replayed on conservative outlets. Maybe to the kids it is nothing more then adults in costumes like superheroes. I have no clue. One thing I feel fairly confident about is deciding on gender at age 10 or age 5 is inane. Fairly confident, not totally. If I was a cis female a person in the ladies room with a penis would freak me out because I would probably be a sexual assault victim, the knowledge that the chances of something actually happening to me being minuscule would not be enough to suppress that gut instinct.

I am not saying a cis, straight boomer can not have a valid opinion about these issues, I am saying I can’t.


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27 May 2023, 1:16 pm

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I'm sure the biological female boxers who get battered senseless by male to female trans boxers suddenly think that too in the middle of a match.

A Brazilian boxer end up with a skull fracture after a similar fight.


Blahblahblah pro-tier combat sports...

...so a 9 year old shouldn't be allowed to play soccer with other 9 year olds. :evil:


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27 May 2023, 1:18 pm

funeralxempire wrote:
Nades wrote:
I'm sure the biological female boxers who get battered senseless by male to female trans boxers suddenly think that too in the middle of a match.

A Brazilian boxer end up with a skull fracture after a similar fight.


Blahblahblah pro-tier combat sports...

...so a 9 year old shouldn't be allowed to play soccer with other 9 year olds. :evil:


Depends on the type of game. If it's some sort of contest then clearly male 9 year olds should not compete against female 9 year olds because it's unfair.



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27 May 2023, 1:19 pm

Nades wrote:
funeralxempire wrote:
Nades wrote:
I'm sure the biological female boxers who get battered senseless by male to female trans boxers suddenly think that too in the middle of a match.

A Brazilian boxer end up with a skull fracture after a similar fight.


Blahblahblah pro-tier combat sports...

...so a 9 year old shouldn't be allowed to play soccer with other 9 year olds. :evil:


Depends on the type of game. If it's some sort of contest then clearly male 9 year olds should not compete against female 9 year olds because it's unfair.


So if they've socially transitioned, it's all good? :mrgreen:


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27 May 2023, 1:20 pm

The argument that transwomen shouldn’t be allowed to compete in sports against other women is insulting on multiple levels and to all women - trans or not.


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27 May 2023, 1:21 pm

^ this. "if you don't conform to our very specific definition of acceptable feminity you're BANNED from EVERYTHING!"


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27 May 2023, 1:21 pm

funeralxempire wrote:
Nades wrote:
funeralxempire wrote:
Nades wrote:
I'm sure the biological female boxers who get battered senseless by male to female trans boxers suddenly think that too in the middle of a match.

A Brazilian boxer end up with a skull fracture after a similar fight.


Blahblahblah pro-tier combat sports...

...so a 9 year old shouldn't be allowed to play soccer with other 9 year olds. :evil:


Depends on the type of game. If it's some sort of contest then clearly male 9 year olds should not compete against female 9 year olds because it's unfair.


So if they've socially transitioned, it's all good? :mrgreen:


What do you even mean?

But no, females are at a distinct disadvantage to males in pretty much everything sport related and for fairness, people should always play against the same biological sex.



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27 May 2023, 1:23 pm

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The argument that transwomen shouldn’t be allowed to compete in sports against other women is insulting on multiple levels and to all women - trans or not.


They can play sports against other women just not professionally because it's unfair, hence why sporting bodies are banning this practice.

Like last week a female highschool student was very insulted about competing against a trans student too.



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27 May 2023, 1:25 pm

Nades wrote:
funeralxempire wrote:
Nades wrote:
funeralxempire wrote:
Nades wrote:
I'm sure the biological female boxers who get battered senseless by male to female trans boxers suddenly think that too in the middle of a match.

A Brazilian boxer end up with a skull fracture after a similar fight.


Blahblahblah pro-tier combat sports...

...so a 9 year old shouldn't be allowed to play soccer with other 9 year olds. :evil:


Depends on the type of game. If it's some sort of contest then clearly male 9 year olds should not compete against female 9 year olds because it's unfair.


So if they've socially transitioned, it's all good? :mrgreen:


What do you even mean?

But no, females are at a distinct disadvantage to males in pretty much everything sport related and for fairness, people should always play against the same biological sex.


A child at that age who is trans may socially transition, which is to say present as the gender they identify with.

But hey, apparently even sports for kids who haven't started puberty is too serious to let trans people compete on the appropriate team.

And yet we're supposed to believe bigotry isn't the motive. :roll:


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27 May 2023, 1:26 pm

Nades wrote:
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The argument that transwomen shouldn’t be allowed to compete in sports against other women is insulting on multiple levels and to all women - trans or not.


They can play sports against other women just not professionally because it's unfair, hence why sporting bodies are banning this practice.

Like last week a female highschool student was very insulted about competing against a trans student too.

There are ways of making sporting competitions more fair for everyone without discriminating against groups of people.

I’m sure that there are transphobic high schoolers. They are probably a product of their environments.


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27 May 2023, 1:28 pm

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A child at that age who is trans may socially transition, which is to say present as the gender they identify with.

But hey, apparently even sports for kids who haven't started puberty is too serious to let trans people compete on the appropriate team.

And yet we're supposed to believe bigotry isn't the motive. :roll:


Even at 9, males are typically larger than females. Are you saying that a group of males, who on average have a higher muscle mass are the same strength as a group of females with a lower muscle mass because this is certainly what it seems like.



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27 May 2023, 1:30 pm

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The argument that transwomen shouldn’t be allowed to compete in sports against other women is insulting on multiple levels and to all women - trans or not.


They can play sports against other women just not professionally because it's unfair, hence why sporting bodies are banning this practice.

Like last week a female highschool student was very insulted about competing against a trans student too.

There are ways of making sporting competitions more fair for everyone without discriminating against groups of people.

I’m sure that there are transphobic high schoolers. They are probably a product of their environments.


How exactly?

Are you also calling the female high schooler who missed out on a spot in the state competition and disapproved of competing against a trans runner a transphobe too?



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27 May 2023, 1:31 pm

Nades wrote:
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A child at that age who is trans may socially transition, which is to say present as the gender they identify with.

But hey, apparently even sports for kids who haven't started puberty is too serious to let trans people compete on the appropriate team.

And yet we're supposed to believe bigotry isn't the motive. :roll:


Even at 9, males are typically larger than females. Are you saying that a group of males, who on average have a higher muscle mass are the same strength as a group of females with a lower muscle mass because this is certainly what it seems like.


On average doesn't mean every individual. Those two populations overlap in terms of strength.


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