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18 Jul 2023, 10:24 am

Lecia_Wynter wrote:
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No such thing as a hidden disability back then.


This was true regardless of the economic system one lived under back then. It's a back then issue, not a communism (or any other economic system) issue.


With the limited communist nations today, it seems to be a big issue even now.

The problem is that communism depends on everyone contributing and I don't think I ever really seen a post of how someone, personally was planning to contribute in a communist or socialist state. All I ever see on WP is how people plan on personally using the newly "distributed" wealth of others.

Every time someone who supports communism talk about the benefits of it, they always give off huge vibes of jealousy and are obsessed with the money and property of others. It's universal among them.


Consider communism of the past obsolete.

Communism is an inevitability of a robotic future. The choice is communism or death by capitalisms. Robots will take most jobs, quite literally Capitalism will result in mass extinction of most the species, except for the rich.

The choice is...
Be a communist.
b***h and moan about income inequality, low wages, capitalist monopoly, high rent, sit around for robots to take all the jobs while you study, train harder and harder to compete, everyday is Learning and Hustling when your in Capitalism. Play the Fall Guys game hoping to be #1 while everyone around you is poor, broke, unmarried and homeless with at most a GED.


I don't think robots will take many jobs personally. They might take over driving jobs but not much more.



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18 Jul 2023, 2:21 pm

unfortunately, they are set to take over far more than just driving. even lawyers and doctors are or ought to be shaking in their boots. and actors.... voice artists.... counselors....



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18 Jul 2023, 4:26 pm

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Every time someone who supports communism talk about the benefits of it, they always give off huge vibes of jealousy and are obsessed with the money and property of others. It's universal among them.


Sounds like projection. Of course they're all jealous, they must be, you've decided that's their motive.


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18 Jul 2023, 6:12 pm

Nades wrote:
Lecia_Wynter wrote:
Nades wrote:
funeralxempire wrote:
Nades wrote:
No such thing as a hidden disability back then.


This was true regardless of the economic system one lived under back then. It's a back then issue, not a communism (or any other economic system) issue.


With the limited communist nations today, it seems to be a big issue even now.

The problem is that communism depends on everyone contributing and I don't think I ever really seen a post of how someone, personally was planning to contribute in a communist or socialist state. All I ever see on WP is how people plan on personally using the newly "distributed" wealth of others.

Every time someone who supports communism talk about the benefits of it, they always give off huge vibes of jealousy and are obsessed with the money and property of others. It's universal among them.


Consider communism of the past obsolete.

Communism is an inevitability of a robotic future. The choice is communism or death by capitalisms. Robots will take most jobs, quite literally Capitalism will result in mass extinction of most the species, except for the rich.

The choice is...
Be a communist.
b***h and moan about income inequality, low wages, capitalist monopoly, high rent, sit around for robots to take all the jobs while you study, train harder and harder to compete, everyday is Learning and Hustling when your in Capitalism. Play the Fall Guys game hoping to be #1 while everyone around you is poor, broke, unmarried and homeless with at most a GED.


I don't think robots will take many jobs personally. They might take over driving jobs but not much more.


They also said art would be the last job robots take, but its actually one of the earlier ones. Ai isn't that safe at driving so I don't see it taking those jobs till maybe 2030 or 2040.

Robots have already taken 99% of the shipping dock jobs at certain shipping docks, those jobs are automated now.

Capitalism is like Fall Guys, if you don't pay attention at first then you'll start to notice later on. For example its easy to win the first round of Fall Guys then you notice as it gets harder and harder, that's Capitalism. Some capitalists are like literal Bond Villains that could care less if 99% population has no income and dies off, so they can "rebuild" society into something else, even though all the DNA they would have available to "rebuild" is sh***y inbred psychopathic genetic material and it would end up as another sh***y dystopia like the current society we have.

Side note, I was watching a documentary about poverty and fetanyl abuse seems to be a thing in some poor towns. I read that fetanyl is 100 and 50 times more potent than morphine and heroine, why is this legal by the FDA and why don't people just do morphine and heroine instead?

Also I decided to upgrade my UBI plan adding #6., so anybody doing hard drugs gets a UBI cut in half, to allow the bare minimum such as food and housing but it would cause them to do less drugs. (Weed does not count as hard drugs)

Anyway if people don't believe me that Capitalism is dangerous, its like the coal mines, work sh*tty dangerous jobs at the mines to increase global warming then you are rewarded for your efforts by having the next generation full of poverty and junkies.

That might not directly effect the average person, but here is a small example of how capitalism is a danger to all life on earth: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lnJSHdEP1N0



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18 Jul 2023, 6:32 pm



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zy49pM9 ... olnProject


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18 Jul 2023, 7:19 pm

it is a contest, between the downright psychopaths like MTG in the video above, versus the rest of us. they're winning.



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18 Jul 2023, 8:04 pm

funeralxempire wrote:
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Every time someone who supports communism talk about the benefits of it, they always give off huge vibes of jealousy and are obsessed with the money and property of others. It's universal among them.
Sounds like projection. Of course they're all jealous, they must be, you've decided that's their motive.
There does seem to be a modicum of jealousy when someone expresses more concern for someone else's wealth than for their own financial situation.  It is almost as if the complainers do not want anyone to question the poor decisions the complainers made that led them to being under-employed wage-earners.

Complaining about the riches possessed by the "One-Percenters" smacks of jealousy.  I mean, the only other person who would have any legitimate concern over about someone else's wealth is the taxman.


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19 Jul 2023, 2:09 am

Fnord wrote:
funeralxempire wrote:
Nades wrote:
Every time someone who supports communism talk about the benefits of it, they always give off huge vibes of jealousy and are obsessed with the money and property of others. It's universal among them.
Sounds like projection. Of course they're all jealous, they must be, you've decided that's their motive.
There does seem to be a modicum of jealousy when someone expresses more concern for someone else's wealth than for their own financial situation.  It is almost as if the complainers do not want anyone to question the poor decisions the complainers made that led them to being under-employed wage-earners.

Complaining about the riches possessed by the "One-Percenters" smacks of jealousy.  I mean, the only other person who would have any legitimate concern over about someone else's wealth is the taxman.


It was implied earlier than the "1%" actually means more than just 1%. From earlier threads, it was implied even I'm part of the capitalist problem and I just work as a tradesman who saved money and invested. My job is about as classic communist as it gets too.

It seems that by wealth redistribution, they actually mean full wealth redistribution including working class folks.



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19 Jul 2023, 2:13 am

I should have known. Wow. All lies. re: the OP post.


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19 Jul 2023, 4:06 am

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I should have known. Wow. All lies. re: the OP post.


State ownership of pretty much everything implies some use of force and authoritarianism. The state owning literally everything including what was once your possessions (assuming it was a capitalist state switching to communism) will have to require extreme force to "redistribute" said private property.

It's hard enough prevent people owning property or wealth, yet alone actually stealing it once it's owned. Obviously, those who idolise communism in a capitalist state are naturally inclined to dishonesty and theft to simply realise their dream of communism.....in fact, it's a requirement once property is already under private ownership so obviously that adds a dishonesty element to communists.



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19 Jul 2023, 6:09 am

Fnord wrote:
funeralxempire wrote:
Nades wrote:
Every time someone who supports communism talk about the benefits of it, they always give off huge vibes of jealousy and are obsessed with the money and property of others. It's universal among them.
Sounds like projection. Of course they're all jealous, they must be, you've decided that's their motive.
There does seem to be a modicum of jealousy when someone expresses more concern for someone else's wealth than for their own financial situation.  It is almost as if the complainers do not want anyone to question the poor decisions the complainers made that led them to being under-employed wage-earners.

Complaining about the riches possessed by the "One-Percenters" smacks of jealousy.  I mean, the only other person who would have any legitimate concern over about someone else's wealth is the taxman.


Because nothing says self-serving like thinking higher tax revenues would allow greater investment into social programs, infrastructure, education at the like.

Tell us more about your misguided assumptions. :roll:


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19 Jul 2023, 6:15 am

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Fnord wrote:
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Nades wrote:
Every time someone who supports communism talk about the benefits of it, they always give off huge vibes of jealousy and are obsessed with the money and property of others. It's universal among them.
Sounds like projection. Of course they're all jealous, they must be, you've decided that's their motive.
There does seem to be a modicum of jealousy when someone expresses more concern for someone else's wealth than for their own financial situation.  It is almost as if the complainers do not want anyone to question the poor decisions the complainers made that led them to being under-employed wage-earners.

Complaining about the riches possessed by the "One-Percenters" smacks of jealousy.  I mean, the only other person who would have any legitimate concern over about someone else's wealth is the taxman.


Because nothing says self-serving like thinking higher tax revenues would allow greater investment into social programs, infrastructure, education at the like.

Tell us more about your misguided assumptions. :roll:


I thought this thread was about communism and not high tax capitalism.



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19 Jul 2023, 8:25 am

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I thought this thread was about communism and not high tax capitalism.
Since they cannot discredit the general theme in the original post, they introduce their own favorite "whipping boy" themes to beat up and shoot down.

Common tactic for PP&R.


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19 Jul 2023, 9:52 am

Fnord wrote:
Nades wrote:
I thought this thread was about communism and not high tax capitalism.
Since they cannot discredit the general theme in the original post, they introduce their own favorite "whipping boy" themes to beat up and shoot down.

Common tactic for PP&R.


Well it seemed pretty clear that you meant communism, even the title is pretty obvious.

Anyway I have my own little list of traits I noticed with communists living in capitalist countries.

They are universally jealous. This is obvious with how they speak about other people's money.

They are usually lazy and never mention how they themselves will contribute to a communist society, all they say is just how to redistribute other people's wealth and property.

They usually have low end jobs or are unemployed.

They are universally entitled, again all they want is the wealth of others and nothing more.

They often seem prepositioned to violence, bullying and criminality. In a capitalist country turning communist, it'll require tearing peoples investments and property off them which will obviously require serious force. It takes an odious individual to do that and *personally*, someone who is OK with human right breaches like that will probably be OK with committing fraud, extortion and exploiting vulnerable people both financially and physically. I wouldn't leave a communist anywhere near my grandmother...........they would no doubt help themselves to her Visa card after threatening her, like all communists would when it comes to taking money off others.

Indeed, in communist countries of the past and present this was/is the norm and is required to stem the discontent of the population.



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19 Jul 2023, 9:55 am

Nades wrote:
Fnord wrote:
Nades wrote:
I thought this thread was about communism and not high tax capitalism.
Since they cannot discredit the general theme in the original post, they introduce their own favorite "whipping boy" themes to beat up and shoot down.

Common tactic for PP&R.
Well it seemed pretty clear that you meant communism, even the title is pretty obvious.

Anyway I have my own little list of traits I noticed with communists living in capitalist countries.

They are universally jealous. This is obvious with how they speak about other people's money.

They are usually lazy and never mention how they themselves will contribute to a communist society, all they say is just how to redistribute other people's wealth and property.

They usually have low end jobs or are unemployed.

They are universally entitled, again all they want is the wealth of others and nothing more.

They often seem prepositioned to violence, bullying and criminality. In a capitalist country turning communist, it'll require tearing peoples investments and property off them which will obviously require serious force. It takes an odious individual to do that and *personally*, someone who is OK with human right breaches like that will probably be OK with committing fraud, extortion and exploiting vulnerable people both financially and physically. I wouldn't leave a communist anywhere near my grandmother...........they would no doubt help themselves to her Visa card after beating her senseless.

Indeed, in communist countries of the past and present this was/is the norm and is required to stem the discontent of the population.
I cannot disagree with any of this.


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19 Jul 2023, 10:17 am

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Because nothing says self-serving like thinking higher tax revenues would allow greater investment into social programs, infrastructure, education at the like.

Tell us more about your misguided assumptions. :roll:


Well the modern education system is evil, but other than that I agree.

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funeralxempire wrote:
Nades wrote:
Every time someone who supports communism talk about the benefits of it, they always give off huge vibes of jealousy and are obsessed with the money and property of others. It's universal among them.
Sounds like projection. Of course they're all jealous, they must be, you've decided that's their motive.
There does seem to be a modicum of jealousy when someone expresses more concern for someone else's wealth than for their own financial situation.  It is almost as if the complainers do not want anyone to question the poor decisions the complainers made that led them to being under-employed wage-earners.

Complaining about the riches possessed by the "One-Percenters" smacks of jealousy.  I mean, the only other person who would have any legitimate concern over about someone else's wealth is the taxman.


Having 0 jealousy would be denial of self/inhuman behavoir. Of course poor people are jealous of the rich, I just don't see jealousy as the only motivation or even the primary motivation of communists. I think the primary motivation is when they see rich people who are incompetent and don't do anything useful with their money, meanwhile the majority of the planet is a dystopia of poverty and there are starving people. I don't think communists get mad at rich philanthropists the way they get mad at rich, incompetent, greedy and unethical corporations that continually release subpar crap. "Why should he get all the money when I could run the business better" is the sentiment I think.

But it feels like you are arguing just to argue so I don't expect you to agree.

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I should have known. Wow. All lies. re: the OP post.


State ownership of pretty much everything implies some use of force and authoritarianism. The state owning literally everything including what was once your possessions (assuming it was a capitalist state switching to communism) will have to require extreme force to "redistribute" said private property.

It's hard enough prevent people owning property or wealth, yet alone actually stealing it once it's owned. Obviously, those who idolise communism in a capitalist state are naturally inclined to dishonesty and theft to simply realise their dream of communism.....in fact, it's a requirement once property is already under private ownership so obviously that adds a dishonesty element to communists.

They already have that kind of redistribution enforcement, its called taxes. Like I said, old communism is obsolete, what I'm talking about is new communism. UBI absolutely should be enforced by the state if a corporation is in the profits and a robot workforce. Should profitable corporations who have a robot workforce not pay UBI?

And communism is a stateless society. "State owns everything" is a non-sequitor. In capatalist "democracies" even if you own a house, its not truly yours, if the state doesn't like something you have to obey, for example maybe there are antenna rules, or lawn rules, or driveway rules, its not truly your own property, and you have to pay taxes on the property.

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>Communists hate lazy people, they force people to work.

Pick one.