goldfish21 wrote:
funeralxempire wrote:
goldfish21 wrote:
Even Indigenous North Americans would enslave people from other tribes/nations.
It's worth pointing out that slavery in societies where livestock ownership isn't the norm tends to be quite different from chattel slavery as practiced in Rome, Carthage, the US and Latin America, the Islamic world, etc.
It's more like being forcibly adopted and assimilated, which is also terrible, but isn't multi-generational and doesn't reduce the person to someone else's private property.
Hmm.
Interesting differences.. buuuut, if they're not free to return home, are they not the property of those that took and kept them?

Maybe different conditions than the stereotypical slave.. but they're still not free, and thus, sort of owned by default - no?
Who owns them if no one has ownership over them?
Likewise, serfs aren't free, but also aren't chattel slaves.
This is the problem when trying to apply the term slavery in contexts where the concept isn't really applicable.
Serfs aren't chattel slaves because they're bound to the land they work, not an owner; they can't be sold or bought or traded.
In 'primitive slavery', the concept of chattel doesn't exist, so it's impossible for chattel slavery to exist.
Slavery is a very imprecise term for describing a variety of different economic and social institutions across a wide range of societies.
If we include the practices of hunter-gatherers and semi-settled farming peoples who lacked livestock as slavery, we should also include serfdom, any sort of debt-bondage, any sort of indentured service, etc. Apprenticeships historically were a form of indentured servitude but it would be inappropriate to describe a medieval apprentice as a slave.
Since we tend to separate those forms of bondage as being distinct from slavery, we should also be mindful that often when encountering foreign versions of those same practices the term slavery was applied regardless.
If only chattel slavery counts when practiced by some peoples, why does the definition become so much broader when describing other peoples practices?
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