Abortion rights.

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It's not necessarily a popular Christian opinion, but I think abortions should be free to access for any woman.

- Rape conceived babies shouldn't be mandatory to give birth to
- Women with medical conditions whereby their life could be in danger by giving birth is a valid reason for abortion
- Women not being in a place to properly look after a kid economically would likely be better off not having a kid

Etc.

There will be people who shirk various responsibilities and who abuse the system, but those people shouldn't keep others from accessing abortions, IMO.

How would getting an abortion be abusing the system? It’s not an activity that women undergo lightly. It’s not an enjoyable way to spend one’s time.

Women should have the right to choose what they do with their bodies. Period.

The responsibility of practicing safe sex, and then having an abortion because of a lack of safe sex. I realise a man can be implicated in this too.

Prevention is cheaper than the cure, as they say.

So the next time I get SA'ed I should make sure I take a pill first?

Should all girls just start taking hormonal contraception prior to puberty in the event men are animals?

Many women can’t even do hormonal birth control because of side effects.

Rape is often unreported and unverified, so I’m not sure how that would be regulated fairly.

It’s best for women to just have the right to bodily autonomy.

When I was pregnant from SA people including doctors tried to pressure me to abort.
It's insane to me that no matter which way you look at it, they think our bodies aren't our own.

My Body - My Choice - Either Way and Every Way

Absolutely.

It’s triggering when people try to dictate what we can and can’t (or should and shouldn’t) do with our bodies, especially when they don’t have any type of lived experience to have a truly informed opinion.

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It's really not abusing the system to use it as it was intended.

I don't mind Cockney Rebel or anyone else having a different opinion than mine.
We should all be afforded our choice as individuals.
That's what "pro choice" means, imo.

What I disagree with is the notion that personal responsibility and birth control are the solution.
It's victim shaming against women in situations where birth control wasn't an option.
Even if birth control is an option, it doesn't always work.
Beyond that, situations and circumstances can change even for planned pregnancies.
Many girls and women are threatened, attacked, and even murdered for being pregnant.

It's not so simple as many people think.

Or imagine a woman trying to explain to an abortion clinic why she fits the criteria.

“Yeah, I was raped, but I have no proof of that since I didn’t report it because…”

That would be very invasive from a psychological standpoint.

Yes ^ - even if it was reported trials take longer than is ethically permissible for abortion.
It shouldn't matter if it was SA or not.
All women's bodies and choices are equal under the law.

We've been through this before in the Rowe Wade threads.
There will be a drastic increase in allegations of SA against men.
If that's the only way to get an abortion, what else are women to do?

If men are prepared to be accused of rape, great.
If men are prepared to support these kids for 18+ years, great.

I think time would be better spent arresting deadbeat dads than pregnant mums.
The same goes for criminals / rapists who are the dads.

If people don’t like abortions, they could choose not to have them, but trampling on the rights of others is something else. I’m pro-choice but probably wouldn’t have an abortion myself, but I like having the freedom to choose. In my opinion, men and women can’t approach equality if women don’t even have the right to make choices about their own bodies.

Exactly. ^

Choice means choice.
It doesn't necessarily mean you'll do it.

If it's only allowed in cases of SA, that means the only determining factor would how it was conceived.
That excludes almost all other considerations.

I am also pro-choice if that wasn't clear enough from my initial post.

I did say that people abusing the system shouldn't spoil it for others (i.e, abortion should be available for all women).

I do believe there are careless women who don't treat abortion seriously as an ethical issue and have an attitude to match, i.e "I don't care if I get pregnant, I'll let someone handle it for me if an unwanted pregnancy happens".

Reality is shared, even when a woman has to decide whether to have an abortion, and even when abortion does or does not occur, men still witness such things. Reducing a man's role on the issue of abortion, because he isn't the individual body of a woman is an example of placing individual liberty over society (society which is comprised of men and women) and I don't agree with that way of thinking.

That's just my opinion. Everybody is entitled to their own opinion.

I don't see how that's a moral issue; at most it seems like an issue of not considering the future.

I meant that, in my opinion, some women don't appreciate the fact that abortion is an ethical issue, and don't appreciate the gravity of it.

I would say it is an issue of the ignorance of morality in some cases.

Edit: or a willful denial of abortion being an ethical issue.

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