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02 Nov 2023, 12:58 pm

To me the term "anti-semitism" has always seemed to me to be glaringly obviously inaccurate (because Jews aren't the only "Semites") and obviously a slight to Arabs (who are "Semites" too), even before I actually encountered any Arabs who took offense at it.

So I personally will continue to use alternative terms. If any one of my alternative terms turn out to be offensive to Jews for whatever reason, I will drop that particular term. There is no shortage of other alternatives.


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02 Nov 2023, 2:00 pm

Anyhow, back to the main topic of this thread:

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From most of what I have seen online and in interviews 'anti-zionism' is generally just a cover or justification to be anti-sematic, let the person speak long enough and they are soon bashing out anti-Jewish tropes.

If you ever see me using any anti-Jewish tropes, let me know. I make an effort to avoid them and to debunk the worst ones whenever I see them (including the thinly veiled anti-Jewish conspiracy theories that pop up occasionally here on WP).

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So I personally see them as largely one and the same, and from listening to some Jewish people they largely seem to hold the same view.

Not all Jews. See, for example, Jewish Voice for Peace.


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02 Nov 2023, 2:28 pm

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For your own sake can you please stop using this phrase.

It's "anecdotal evidence".

NOT "antidotal".

An "antidote" is medicine you take for a poisonous snake bite.

An "anecdote" is a one-off story.

"Anecdotal evidence" is evidence based upon one-off eyewitness accounts (like most evidence for ghosts) as opposed to evidence that is based upon systematically collected empirical data.

"Antidotal evidence" is not even a "thing" unless you're trying to be clever and do deliberate wordplay. Which you're not here.


Dude! If you are going to get all anal and pull someone on incorrect usage of words using an example, you should at least get the example correct. You do not get antidote for a poisonous snake bite, snake bites can be venomous but never poisonous unless you are the one doing the biting :lol:

Edit: As I was bored, I searched "Antidotal evidence" and it's usage is more common than I thought, it's even used by MD's and people with PHD's, I wonder if it is a common AI autocorrect / autospell thing.



Am not being "anal" about anything.

And venom and poison are the same darn thing.

I was simply coaching him on how NOT sound like a moron. If you sound like you dont know the difference between an "anecdote" and an "antidote" then you sound like a moron. And you sound like you dont understand the scientific method either.

Even if there ARE folks who use the term...it could be (as you say) due to autocorrect or they could be like those folks who say "for all intensive purposes" when the expression is actually "for all intents and purposes". Theyre still wrong.


But lets say that I am wrong. And that "antidotal evidence" really IS a thing, and thats its a separate thing (not just folks with wax in their ears parroting others saying "anecdotal evidence". :lol:

If so then ...in the example above...what exactly is the evidence an antidote TO? What is the poison that this evidence is detoxifying? And how is it detoxifying it?



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02 Nov 2023, 3:12 pm

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Am not being "anal" about anything.


Apologies for mischaracterizing you.

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And venom and poison are the same darn thing.


Nope.

naturalplastic wrote:
I was simply coaching him on how NOT sound like a moron. If you sound like you dont know the difference between an "anecdote" and an "antidote" then you sound like a moron.


I could say the same about you regarding your poison / venom inaccuracies but I don't see it as moronic, I wouldn't class you as a moron.

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And you sound like you dont understand the scientific method either.


Didn't need the scientific method, as I already had the knowledge.


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02 Nov 2023, 3:14 pm

What's the difference between poison and venom?

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We all know to be wary of toxic encounters with the natural world, whether it's watching out for venomous snakes or not eating poisonous berries. But while both of those threats involve toxins, we call the berries "poisonous" and the snakes "venomous."

The terms "venom" and "poison" are not interchangeable. So what is the difference between poison and venom? The distinction is more about style than substance.

Put simply, venom is injected directly by an animal, whereas poison is delivered passively, such as by being touched or ingested.

"If you bite it and you get sick, it's poisonous. If it bites or stings you and you get sick, then it's venomous," said Jason Strickland, a biologist at the University of South Alabama who studies venom.


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02 Nov 2023, 3:49 pm

Mona Pereth wrote:
Not all Jews. See, for example, Jewish Voice for Peace.


Indeed.


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02 Nov 2023, 4:01 pm

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What's the difference between poison and venom?

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We all know to be wary of toxic encounters with the natural world, whether it's watching out for venomous snakes or not eating poisonous berries. But while both of those threats involve toxins, we call the berries "poisonous" and the snakes "venomous."

The terms "venom" and "poison" are not interchangeable. So what is the difference between poison and venom? The distinction is more about style than substance.

Put simply, venom is injected directly by an animal, whereas poison is delivered passively, such as by being touched or ingested.

"If you bite it and you get sick, it's poisonous. If it bites or stings you and you get sick, then it's venomous," said Jason Strickland, a biologist at the University of South Alabama who studies venom.


If ...IT bites you...and it puts..WHAT into you? What it puts into you is poison. Distinction w/o difference.
But even if there were a difference...its not enough of a difference to make a difference. My word choice doesnt effect the meaning of the sentence I wrote.

Unlike antidotes and anecdotes which are not even close to being same thing. Thus switching the words radically changes the whole meaning of the phrase in question.



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02 Nov 2023, 6:15 pm

naturalplastic wrote:
funeralxempire wrote:
What's the difference between poison and venom?

Quote:
We all know to be wary of toxic encounters with the natural world, whether it's watching out for venomous snakes or not eating poisonous berries. But while both of those threats involve toxins, we call the berries "poisonous" and the snakes "venomous."

The terms "venom" and "poison" are not interchangeable. So what is the difference between poison and venom? The distinction is more about style than substance.

Put simply, venom is injected directly by an animal, whereas poison is delivered passively, such as by being touched or ingested.

"If you bite it and you get sick, it's poisonous. If it bites or stings you and you get sick, then it's venomous," said Jason Strickland, a biologist at the University of South Alabama who studies venom.


If ...IT bites you...and it puts..WHAT into you? What it puts into you is poison. Distinction w/o difference.
But even if there were a difference...its not enough of a difference to make a difference. My word choice doesnt effect the meaning of the sentence I wrote.


You'll have to take your complaints up with biologists, I didn't make the definition, I'm just informing you of the definition.


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02 Nov 2023, 6:41 pm

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An "antidote" is medicine you take for a poisonous snake bite.


I'm going to put this whole thing to bed now as this thread has veered way off-topic. I realise that your definition was very specific and the snake you meant was an Asian tiger snake :wink: which is both venomous and poisonous.

Incidentally, I knew what ASPOM and you both meant and found your use of definitions condescending but also funny due to your definition of 'antidote' which I now know is correct :D .


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06 Nov 2023, 7:05 pm

A certain Gentile person almost screamed at me that "Zionism IS Judaism. Being anti one is anti the other".

On the other hand there is this pov...


https://youtu.be/EQxY7KvLfXU

So...take yer pick.