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01 Aug 2024, 11:16 pm

Actually even the left have their proponents for euthanising disabled
In the 1970s, the Australian moral philosopher Dr Peter Singer, perhaps best-known for his book Animal Liberation (1975), began to argue that it is ethical to give parents the option (in consultation with doctors) to euthanise infants with disabilities.



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02 Aug 2024, 12:40 am

I had a dream that Orange Man was chasing me around a hospital with a needle last night.


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02 Aug 2024, 12:48 am

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I had a dream that Orange Man was chasing me around a hospital with a needle last night.


Hit him up the side of his head with your Sgt. Schultz helmet!


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02 Aug 2024, 12:49 am

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Actually even the left have their proponents for euthanising disabled
In the 1970s, the Australian moral philosopher Dr Peter Singer, perhaps best-known for his book Animal Liberation (1975), began to argue that it is ethical to give parents the option (in consultation with doctors) to euthanise infants with disabilities.


Anyone suggesting such a thing should be required to hand in their proof of humanity card.


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02 Aug 2024, 1:06 am

Kraichgauer wrote:
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Actually even the left have their proponents for euthanising disabled
In the 1970s, the Australian moral philosopher Dr Peter Singer, perhaps best-known for his book Animal Liberation (1975), began to argue that it is ethical to give parents the option (in consultation with doctors) to euthanise infants with disabilities.


Anyone suggesting such a thing should be required to hand in their proof of humanity card.


Ironically Singer went on to become the founder of the modern Animal Rights movement across the world so is considered a humanitarian and poster boy for left wing causes



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02 Aug 2024, 1:16 am

cyberdad wrote:
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Actually even the left have their proponents for euthanising disabled
In the 1970s, the Australian moral philosopher Dr Peter Singer, perhaps best-known for his book Animal Liberation (1975), began to argue that it is ethical to give parents the option (in consultation with doctors) to euthanise infants with disabilities.


Anyone suggesting such a thing should be required to hand in their proof of humanity card.


Ironically Singer went on to become the founder of the modern Animal Rights movement across the world so is considered a humanitarian and poster boy for left wing causes


Left wing causes, or the cause of animal rights specifically?


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02 Aug 2024, 1:56 am

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Left wing causes, or the cause of animal rights specifically?


He's one of he great social commentators of the modern era and positioned firmly on the left in terms of his views on animals



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02 Aug 2024, 3:36 am

cyberdad wrote:
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Left wing causes, or the cause of animal rights specifically?


He's one of he great social commentators of the modern era and positioned firmly on the left in terms of his views on animals


The underlined would suggest we both recognize it's mostly the latter rather than the former.


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03 Aug 2024, 12:00 pm

In Canada, Justin Trudeau passed a bill to legalize euthanasia and assisted suicide and he wants to expand the bill to eliminate people with mental health issues.


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03 Aug 2024, 2:37 pm

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In Canada, Justin Trudeau passed a bill to legalize euthanasia and assisted suicide and he wants to expand the bill to eliminate people with mental health issues.


Access to euthanasia is voluntary, meaning even if it's available to people who have chronic mental health issues it can't be used to eliminate people with mental health issues, it only impacts people who choose euthanasia over continuing to suffer.

Ideally it euthanasia should be available, but there should also be measures in place to ensure people aren't needlessly pressured towards euthanasia when they're not actively seeking it.


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03 Aug 2024, 5:10 pm

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The underlined would suggest we both recognize it's mostly the latter rather than the former.


You have probably heard of animal liberation, they are classified as a far-left group (although one could also classify them as anarchists). I very much doubt you will see a MAGA advocate animal rights and vegetarianism. they will be the ones slobbering a steak or ribs in the faces of anti-meat folk.



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03 Aug 2024, 5:29 pm

cyberdad wrote:
funeralxempire wrote:
The underlined would suggest we both recognize it's mostly the latter rather than the former.


You have probably heard of animal liberation, they are classified as a far-left group (although one could also classify them as anarchists). I very much doubt you will see a MAGA advocate animal rights and vegetarianism. they will be the ones slobbering a steak or ribs in the faces of anti-meat folk.


It's a single issue cause, it's not an inherently left-wing cause even if more people on the left are sympathetic to it.

You're relying on the notion that if MAGA types are against it, it must be left wing along with a hefty dose of condescension to make your point but neither of those actually support your point.

MAGA types don't agree with Ayn Rand on abortion but that doesn't make her left wing.
Hitler was a vegetarian, but that doesn't make him left-wing either (it also doesn't mean animal rights was a consideration in his dietary preferences).

Not every cause is tied to a broader ideology. Let me know when Dr. Singer starts advocating for causes that are definitively left-wing instead of ones that only can be portrayed as left-wing by association because reactionary types are triggered by them.


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03 Aug 2024, 6:53 pm

cyberdad wrote:
funeralxempire wrote:
The underlined would suggest we both recognize it's mostly the latter rather than the former.


You have probably heard of animal liberation, they are classified as a far-left group (although one could also classify them as anarchists). I very much doubt you will see a MAGA advocate animal rights and vegetarianism. they will be the ones slobbering a steak or ribs in the faces of anti-meat folk.


As I couldn't live without meat, they'd definitely want to string me up!


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04 Aug 2024, 12:53 am

funeralxempire wrote:
cyberdad wrote:
funeralxempire wrote:
The underlined would suggest we both recognize it's mostly the latter rather than the former.


You have probably heard of animal liberation, they are classified as a far-left group (although one could also classify them as anarchists). I very much doubt you will see a MAGA advocate animal rights and vegetarianism. they will be the ones slobbering a steak or ribs in the faces of anti-meat folk.


It's a single issue cause, it's not an inherently left-wing cause even if more people on the left are sympathetic to it.

You're relying on the notion that if MAGA types are against it, it must be left wing along with a hefty dose of condescension to make your point but neither of those actually support your point.

MAGA types don't agree with Ayn Rand on abortion but that doesn't make her left wing.
Hitler was a vegetarian, but that doesn't make him left-wing either (it also doesn't mean animal rights was a consideration in his dietary preferences).

Not every cause is tied to a broader ideology. Let me know when Dr. Singer starts advocating for causes that are definitively left-wing instead of ones that only can be portrayed as left-wing by association because reactionary types are triggered by them.


Ok Singer is a utalitarian
https://www.greenleft.org.au/content/bi ... capitalism



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04 Aug 2024, 2:20 am

Well this 'disabled person' does not like him very much either, So yeah booo trump boo, and kiss my rump while your at it. or i guess you could just kiss your own ass and that would be even better. But I might be taking it too far if the ear diaper republicans catch wind of this like they might think telling Donald Rump to kiss his own ass is an assassination attempt.


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04 Aug 2024, 5:53 am

well than hopefully he does not run into the disabled militia, they may not be so kind to him if they want to beat him up for his useless words.


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