Religion and sex

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Definition #1 is how I tend to use the term, though I maintain a fuzzy definition of what "spirit" or "soul" means; the other two definitions are not that far from what I mean either, though I reserve the right to define my own gods.

But, my friend, the definition of "spiritual" is not what I asked. What I asked was if you could define something that you consider spiritual. Really Flagg, WRT to what you might believe, I don't know what such a something might be; and I belive such an answer may be different for all of us. Can you give ma a something behind the definition? What is something that is spiritual for you? It is not a trick question; I'm simply trying to understand your viewpoint; really, just to get some frame of reference from which I might try to respond to your original question.

Good fortune,

- Icarus knows about Dictionary.com

Ohhh, so you were arguing that it is significant? I mostly agree with that statement (not 100% because some people make it insignificant for themselves through promiscuity or high frequency).

I think I was seeking to argue two things.

1) I find it to be significant.

2) I believe that those who seek to dismiss it as "insignificant", or those who treat it as insignificant, are robbing themselves, are stopping short and dismissing something that may be of great importance as a mere action of pleasure and self-gratification, like taking a hit of heroine.

Am I right, and those who disagree with me wrong? No. I could be wrong; in fact I believe there to be no "right" or "wrong" here... I simply believe strongly in what I believe; thus I seek to promote it, for the simple reason that I believe it to be a notion of value that some may be overlooking; a notion I've found to be important which I seek to share with my fellow creatures. Maybe even with those whom you mention, those who would seem to make something which I believe to be important and even spiritual (whatever that means) into something insignificant and meaningless, something like a bodily function.

As I've attempted to state before: believe me or not; say I’m right, wrong, confused, or insane; the choice is yours.

Good fortune,

- Icarus Values Lovemaking

When you say sexual sin do you mean that sex is sinful or that certain sexual acts are? Historically Judaism has not seen sex as sinful, but instead quite the opposite, and it has acknowledged botth procreation and pleasure. However it has also historically seen certain sexual acts as prohibited but the more liberal rulings on the matter allowed for much more flexibility than might be imagined. At least in the case of Judaism it's not so much a focus on sex as not leaving sex out of a spiritual life. And I think Islam may be very similar in that regard. As you can see here:

http://www.jewfaq.org/613.htm

The traditional underlying structure covers all aspects of life. Sex is a part of life (from the human experience generally quite a significant one) and gets covered.

Today there are movements that openly support various expressions of sexuality that were previously considered prohibited.