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13 Mar 2008, 1:09 pm

Remember when Bush was the anti-christ? How many more can we nominate for this position?



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13 Mar 2008, 1:10 pm

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Remember when Bush was the anti-christ? How many more can we nominate for this position?


I always thought any leader of the UN or EU would make a good candidate. The UN position is the closest to "World leader" as you can get, and the EU position is one of the closest to leader of the Roman Empire you can get.


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13 Mar 2008, 1:27 pm

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By blood, I'm 50% Jewish and 50% European Gentile. I don't insist that everyone consider me 100% Jewish or 100% Gentile, nor do I think of myself as such. Ah, maybe it's all neither here nor there; maybe I'll wake up tomorrow self-identifying as a black man, and everyone will have to consider me that.


Getting a little off subject... but I want to voice my agreement with this notion. It makes me angry when people refer to my son as latino. His heritage is about 75% European at the very least. Most strangers assume he just looks like me, as I am dark-eyed with brown hair. But extended family members sometimes attempt to speak Spanish to him (not their native tongue) and insist that he is hispanic.

I think it's silly to identify racially with the darkest skin tone present in one's family tree, even if that's the normal American standard. I find it highly insulting when people insinuate that half of my son's father's heritage somehow matters more than all of mine. I tell them, "He is more white than anything else" not because I think being white is a point of pride, but because I think that no racial background should be considered as such.


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13 Mar 2008, 1:37 pm

This criteria must be present to be the anti-christ:

*Knowledge of many languages

*Unbelieveable charisma

*Keen eye for problem solving w/ immediate resolve and follow through

*Of European descent

*Unfettered reguard by polital leaders etc.


Well, what do you think?



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13 Mar 2008, 2:12 pm

gwenevyn wrote:
Ragtime wrote:
By blood, I'm 50% Jewish and 50% European Gentile. I don't insist that everyone consider me 100% Jewish or 100% Gentile, nor do I think of myself as such. Ah, maybe it's all neither here nor there; maybe I'll wake up tomorrow self-identifying as a black man, and everyone will have to consider me that.


Getting a little off subject... but I want to voice my agreement with this notion. It makes me angry when people refer to my son as latino. His heritage is about 75% European at the very least. Most strangers assume he just looks like me, as I am dark-eyed with brown hair. But extended family members sometimes attempt to speak Spanish to him (not their native tongue) and insist that he is hispanic.

I think it's silly to identify racially with the darkest skin tone present in one's family tree, even if that's the normal American standard. I find it highly insulting when people insinuate that half of my son's father's heritage somehow matters more than all of mine. I tell them, "He is more white than anything else" not because I think being white is a point of pride, but because I think that no racial background should be considered as such.


My nephews and niece are half Japanese. Wouldn't you know it, their mother says people in Japan say my nephews and niece look "American", while everyone here in the states says they look Asian. They never change appearance though, obviously! :lol:
It's true, people emphasize the difference from their norm over similarity to it. When I asked myself, "Is there a country I'd be more comfortable in? Perhaps a country of people like me (ethnically, culturally)?" I had to admit that fully Jewish people seem as different to me as Gentiles do. I mean, guess who my longest best friend was? A guy who was also 50% Jewish and 50% European Gentile! The European side was heavy on the Celtics, just like mine. And we seemed to have the same mind -- it was almost spooky!

Most fully-Jewish people I've encountered overwhelm me with their dynamic conversation and argumentation, while most white Gentiles seem a bit bland somehow. Okay, now that I've offended everyone with my personal impressions... :P But ya, I'm not sure I'd be comfortable living in Israel, even though I've been there, and I'm all for it. Ah, I think I'm overanalyzing -- being an Aspie kind of makes one uncomfortable around any type of people...


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13 Mar 2008, 2:14 pm

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Just as a side note, anyone hear of the long lost and recently found Book of Judas? Where Judas was Jesus's most pious student, above all, that Judas understood his teachings at heart and intuitively almost at a natural instinctive genius level - and because of this Jesus made a private deal with him - to fulfill prophecy and Jesus asked him to betray him and not say a word of it to anyone? That also makes me again, wonder if the Antichrist won't be just another benevolent soul commissioned by God to advance a quickening of some rather Buddhist teachings about life and eternal salvation?


The book of Judas is perhaps the most revealing of all gnostic doctrine. Too bad the christians don't herald it. I find it pretty interesting. :D



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13 Mar 2008, 2:22 pm

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My dad thinks Obama is the antichrist. With my anxiety I get from the aspergers that gave me some trouble, thinking about how the world would be so close to the end. Im a christian though so I know Im going to heaven.

But then my mom got an email with some evidence saying obama was the antichrist from the bible. Not only did that give more proof, but it showed more then my dad believed Barrack was the AC. There a lot of youtube videos and articles on the internet that say the same thing too.

What do you guys think? What do I think? I think you need to get right with God before the end comes.


I think you guys need some family counseling.


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13 Mar 2008, 5:13 pm

Averick wrote:
This criteria must be present to be the anti-christ:

*Knowledge of many languages

*Unbelieveable charisma

*Keen eye for problem solving w/ immediate resolve and follow through

*Of European descent

*Unfettered reguard by polital leaders etc.


Well, what do you think?


Wow! You have it all figured out, don't you? I'm impressed, and I'm sure you are unwaveringly secure in your knowledge and understanding. Good for you.

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13 Mar 2008, 5:27 pm

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Wow! You have it all figured out, don't you? I'm impressed, and I'm sure you are unwaveringly secure in your knowledge and understanding. Good for you.

Z


Well, thanks to late night viewing of the Discovery Channel and the History Channel, this is what I came up with.. But how many people fit this description in our current world, especially when no one present is much adored by anyone. So, I'm just speculating, it couldn't be Barack Obama.



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13 Mar 2008, 6:22 pm

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IMO, there is no way Obama could be the antichrist because I don't think he fulfills the prophecies written about the antichrist. Why do some people think Obama might be the antichrist? I can't think of any reasons.

Why do they think of a single person to be the antichrist?

An old interesting interpretation of the Bible, is related to the beast with 10 horns mentioned in the book of Daniel, according to this interpretation, the 10 horns represent Europe, which never can be unified, which were also represented by the feet from the giant statue also mentioned in Daniel, then there is this another horn which is bigger than the others, (Daniel 7:20) which it represents the USA.


That's an interesting interpretation. It's the first time I heard of it. I read Daniel 7:

"there before me was a fourth beast...it had ten horns. there before me was another horn, a little one, which came up among them. (Dan 7:7-8, NIV)"

"The fourth beast is a fourth kingdom that will appear on earth. It will be different from all the other kingdoms and will devour the whole earth, trampling it down and crushing it. The ten horns are ten kings who will come from this kingdom. After them another king will arise, different from the earlier ones; he will subdue three kings. He will speak against the Most High and oppress his saints and try to change the set times and the laws... (Dan 7:23-25, NIV)"

It seems to state that the fourth kingdom has 10 kings plus an 11th king who arises among them. Some people consider the 11th king to be the antichrist.

The passage seems to refer to literal kings or rulers/leaders that are part of the fourth kingdom. The 11th king subdues 3 of the 10 kings. If the 11th king represented the US and the 10 kings represented Europe, then it would seem to say that the US subdues 3/10th of Europe which doesn't seem right. I think it's a literal 10 kings plus 1 because nothing seems to suggest otherwise.



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13 Mar 2008, 8:11 pm

judas is my favorite disciple. i dont know why christians hate him. without him, jesus wouldnt have been able to die for our sins.



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13 Mar 2008, 10:59 pm

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Just as a side note, anyone hear of the long lost and recently found Book of Judas?


I believe it was banned due to it being considered a forgery written by people who hate and wanted to attack Christianity.

The churches got together sometime in the 4th century I think and decided which books should be accepted. They agreed upon 73 books and that is what the Bible has contained ever since. I'm pretty sure that the book of Judas was never accepted by any of the churches of the apostles. I wouldn't believe anything written in it and think it's best to avoid it.



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14 Mar 2008, 1:15 am

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techstepgenr8tion wrote:
Just as a side note, anyone hear of the long lost and recently found Book of Judas?


I believe it was banned due to it being considered a forgery written by people who hate and wanted to attack Christianity.

The churches got together sometime in the 4th century I think and decided which books should be accepted. They agreed upon 73 books and that is what the Bible has contained ever since. I'm pretty sure that the book of Judas was never accepted by any of the churches of the apostles. I wouldn't believe anything written in it and think it's best to avoid it.


I think the idea that the gospel of Judas being a fake or a forgery is really too farfetched for the times that were. That's way too complicated a scenario for simple gnostics trying to spread the teachings of Jesus.



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14 Mar 2008, 11:09 am

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My dad thinks Obama is the antichrist. With my anxiety I get from the aspergers that gave me some trouble, thinking about how the world would be so close to the end. Im a christian though so I know Im going to heaven.

But then my mom got an email with some evidence saying obama was the antichrist from the bible. Not only did that give more proof, but it showed more then my dad believed Barrack was the AC. There a lot of youtube videos and articles on the internet that say the same thing too.

What do you guys think? What do I think? I think you need to get right with God before the end comes.


WTF?

I could call Ronald Regan the AC due to the fact that his first, middle and last names all have six letters - i.e. the triple-six, sign of the devil.

This is an incredibly stupid discussion.


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14 Mar 2008, 5:25 pm

About 666-- I read an interesting interpretation of this once. Numbers in hebrew are written with letters (each letter has a numerical value) and the letter for 6 is "vav," which happens to be how "www" is written in hebrew (since there is now "w" in hebrew). So the numerical value of www in hebrew is 666. If one wanted to take it further, the internet could be envisioned as the multi-headed beast that cannot be destroyed, and the "mark on the right hand" could be the computer mouse, which the majority of people use with their right hand, or the glow of the computer screen could be the "mark" on the forehead from the "www" beast. "And that no man might buy or sell, save he that had the mark, or the name of the beast, or the number of his name."



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14 Mar 2008, 5:48 pm

...'tis a sad thing indeed when aspies stress about who's going to challenge their imaginary friend's 1337 5k1llz and not about something important. :roll:

While Obama seems to fit the general description of the antichrist, he isn't favored by an overwhelming percentage of the country. He'd have to put up a hell of a fight to beat McCain, who is either ahead or tied with him in national polls. And I don't see him marking his supporters with "666," although I've read that the devil's number could be 616 *shrugs*

Either way, don't sweat it :D


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