Teen severely maimed, possibly by Orthodox Jews

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I'm just saying... People shouldn't feel sorry for you if you ever get horribly maimed, should they? I mean, that's not fair, is it? You're saying you won't feel sorry for innocent 15-year-old who has suddenly and pointlessly had to endure an awful, debilitating, and painful attack, simply because of what he believes. He believes in practicing his faith in the manner in which His Lord specifically commanded: "Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost" (Mark 28:19).

It's hypocrisy, therefore, for you to say, "Well, some innocent victims of great and painful personal tragedy are worthy of my concern, but not other innocent victims -- the ones I disagree with. They should suffer without any sympathy from me." Way to go, Nazi-in-training.

So, based on your own standard of judgment, other people should shrug off anything horrible that happens to you because of who you are and what you believe. They should be prejudiced, like you. They should say, "Well, I don't agree with him on certain issues, so I'll just let him suffer in horrible pain alone without so much as a kind word from me."
Someone who thinks that way deserves to be passed by and ignored by others in their hour of greatest need.
I mean, fair's fair.

Yes, and I do love them.



Well then you're not seeing clearly.



Drop your hate, and listen better.

And also, I'm assuming that all that perished massacre at Beziers were guilty and deserving of death, as well, right?

You know Zendell, back when we were discussing the possible causes of autism I had a lot of respect for you, you seemed somewhat level-headed even though I disagreed with your views. I really would never have known that you're a homophobic religious radical. I mean, Jesus Christ Zendell, you practically advertise that you're "scientific," and then you go quoting Bible prophecies about robot takeovers (yes, I remember) and spouting hateful nonsense.

I'm not mad, just disappointed. I can, however, rest assured that people like you will never be taken seriously, as you are, essentially, a radical extremist nutjob.

Lol!!

The article does not say Orthodox Jews as your title would have everyone think. IT says anti-missionary Orthodox Jews. Putting up a title like yours is no different than my criticizing the Christian church down the street because of what the Wesboro baptists do. The behavior in this article is not condoned by Orthodox Judaism, just as the behavior of the Westboro Baptist church is not condoned by Christianity

In order to have an entirely accurate title, you need to read what is in the article. If you had done that, or even spent a few moments reading my post, you would realize just how ludicrous your title is given the context of the article its introducing.

The ignorance you are showing towards orthodox Jews in your title is the same ignorance that results in good, law abiding, upstanding Muslim community members, and those whose religious attire is similar to Muslims, being attacked and beaten as retribution for the 9/11 attacks

Untrue. All the armed parties in this conflict have been happy to kill children, either as collateral damage or as deliberately chosen targets. That includes the IDF.


Here is the link to the full article.
And another link.

If you are in a position of power and you want to see abuse and murder while not appearing responsible, all you need to do is to protect those who will commit crimes on their own initiative, create a culture of impunity, and so encourage the next abuse. In my eyes, and by the standards established in the war crimes trials after World War II, the people in power are fully responsible for the consequences of turning a blind eye or actively protecting those who commit crimes. The IDF, which claims to be the most moral army in the world, has done just that, and apparently more:


That goes beyond just allowing murder to ordering it. Here is the link to the complete article. And another:


Again a link to the full article.

The craziness isn't limited to any one group. Here is a link to an article on Hamas and Fatah drawing children into their struggle for power.

And then there are the settlers who were caught setting a bomb in an Arab school. Look at the last paragraph in the quote for the motive of one guy who helped them.

The source of the quote is here

To pretend that any of the armed parties in this conflict are the side of the angels and do not commit atrocities is, at best, misinformed. At worst, it supports the culture of impunity which encourages further crimes.

The bombing victim of your opening post is a victim of the killers of some faction, and it isn't even clear which one. That and the last quote perhaps show that it is the hard men on all sides which are the problem, and it is not a case of "our freedom fighters" and "their terrorists".

Do you know any Orthodox Jews who aren't anti-missionary?
With some very rare exceptions, all Orthodox Jews oppose proselytizing.
Why do you think there is a law in Israel which basically opposes Christians witnessing to Jews?

Gromit, you are deluded. That's the most accurate and succinct response to your quote above.

And regarding the rest of your post, I'm sorry that your mind has been deceived into believing The Guardian's either mind-numbingly ignorant or just intentionally dishonest interpretation of events on the ground in Israel. Have you even been to the country? Are you aware that many Palestinians work professionally alongside Israelis day in and day out, and that many are even friends? Those Palestinians know how to disagree with civilized people without employing the use of explosives hidden under clothing.

Please ask former Palestinians Joseph Farah, Ergun Caner (former terrorist), Walid Shoebat (former terrorist), and also award-winning Arab journalists Brigitte Gabriel and Khaled Abu Toameh about what's really going on Israel, before you decide on it simply by picking up the far-removed British Guardian rag each morning.

For your convenience, here is a link to an interview with Khaled Abu Toameh.

Yes, I know several. Come to Pittsburgh, I can introduce you to two dozen and I'm sure we can find several others on the street. Not only are showing your own ignorance by claiming all Orthodox Jews are this way you are encouraging that ignorance in others.

If you aren't willing to get the facts, and show the facts you really have no business at all relating news stories to others. There is no value in spreading ignorance. The value lies in spreading knowledge. When you spread false knowledge as you are doing with the title of this thread., you are spreading nothing but ignorance.


Even though i'm sure you could find a good deal of others who know so little about Orthodox Judaism they would say "all orthodox jews are all anti-missionary" the fact that your article explicitly states "anti-missionary" should have been enough to erase that misconception in your mind. After all, if one could assume that all Orthodox jews were anti-missionary there would be no reason to write "anti-missionary" in the article. That would be like writing "Baseball players who play baseball." It doesn't make the remotest bit of sense when any amount of logical or rational thought is applied

Can you demonstrate a factual error?


Do you have any other reason to doubt the quotes besides the source? If you don't, can you show that The Guardian is "mind-numbingly ignorant or just intentionally dishonest"? Did the journalists, for example, misquote the soldiers, or B'Tselem?


I read it. I didn't notice anything in conflict with what I wrote or quoted. I didn't notice anything relevant to what I wrote or quoted. The article you linked to is about whether Israeli media censor stories. I didn't write or quote anything about the Israeli media. Would you please explain the connection?

not to mention he's bearing false witness.