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Who killed Anne Frank?
Poll ended at 10 May 2008, 12:30 am
Charles Darwin 1%  1%  [ 1 ]
Karl Marx 4%  4%  [ 3 ]
The CEO of I.G. Farben 1%  1%  [ 1 ]
Christians or some other mystic sort 6%  6%  [ 4 ]
Some liberal guy 0%  0%  [ 0 ]
Some conservative guy 1%  1%  [ 1 ]
Adam Smith 0%  0%  [ 0 ]
Other 16%  16%  [ 11 ]
All of the above 1%  1%  [ 1 ]
Hitler 67%  67%  [ 45 ]
Total votes : 67

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21 Apr 2008, 11:28 pm

All you have to do is replace "Fascism" with "Right Wing of the Catholic Church" and the statement is still correct. Keep in mind that the holocaust was caried out by many other nationalities besides the Germans. Almost all were Catholics, and anti-semitism was rampant in Catholocism at the time.


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22 Apr 2008, 12:05 am

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Ok first things first hitler=evil but he should be studied so we can prevent the holocaust to happen again. No I dont hate mexicans they are noble people with a rich culture and heritage but least where I leave we have illegals come out of the wood work and not just mexico mostly guetalmala and columibia then they come and demand benefits so they can go one welfare and not get a job I think that wrong because their are american that have to pay taxes so they have to flip the bill for those who dont deserve it like pregnant teens because why should I flip the bill because some chick decided to play risky well sorry you should wait to your finacally secure until you have kids. The reason it makes me mad is because these illegals asking to be treated as if they didn't break the law is they trivalize the suffering the other immigrants went through especially the irish and yes I am part native american. As a response to another poster who said genocide was a white is wrong because blacks or who ever have all participated so dont make your self look good by blaming everything on white people. Blacks,latinos,whites,asians alike have all had cases of genocide.But whats this the only ones who did not commit genocide where the oh my god the native americans the one you all called savages ah I ask no who's the savages now? If you want to know which tribe its Lakota sioux the home of sitting bull and on of the tribes at the little big horn. we fought proudly to the last man until we were massacared by the US at wounded knee. My indian hertiage is the one I am most proud of. No I am not racist I was just stating my opinion is because their our american out their who dont make $50,000 a year but make enough to not be on welfare or any state or fedral aid. but yet their are illeagal on welfare that live better than me and own many luxary items do you see a problems dont the republicans pressure us enough by taxing us that can barely suppourt ourselves but let the rich who have more than enough to support themselves get tax breaks then I say WTF!Yes the baby boomers are messed up but my parents are baby boomers and I love them but their generation treats our like crap by put increased pressure and stress on us and up the high school graduation requirements so you cant graduate and many more indignties then leave us the bleak future of having to clean up their mess and then fight wars for the last drops of oil and for food and water which are dwindiling all while population increases why land decreases has land sinks beneth the sea because of global warming because they to dependent on oil they think they have such a massive entitlement and our entitlement is years of missery,suffering,and the possible extinction of the species. Then there one more indignty against us its the drinking age with the amount of stress adults put on teens we need to drink but its illegal because you have to be 21 but yet when your 18 your old enough to join the military and die for a lost cause but your not old enough for a Brewsukie WTF. If you look the world of deus ex 1 and frontlines fuel of war is get really close its kind of scary.Yet this is the story of human history meaning we are doomed to extinction due to the average populations ignorance. I suggest every one consults a console of aspies on world affiar and we dish out aspie law but we cant cast our relgious belifes on others because therocary leads to ignorance and ignorence leads to racism and racism leads to genocide. Need I say more. Sorry for the long post but this is one of my favorite subject.


Actually though I basically agreed with the whole post other than that one statement about native americans being the only to never have a genocide. Even red folks, depending on what tribes they belonged to have had genocides among themselves. That's not to say there weren't some very peaceful and good natured tribes as well. But... The entire human race is pretty much like... the savages. I believe there is good and evil in everyone. People are slow to see how they'll do things they themselves would stone others to death for doing...
I agree though with everything else, you seem to have a very critical way of looking at things, I do to. Criticism gets such a bad rep but it shouldn't, it's necessary to the survival of free speech.



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22 Apr 2008, 5:14 am

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I wouldn't say that the entire Native American race is innocent of historical genocide either. Aztecs killed other natives with impunity before the white settlers came along. I'm not saying Natives are any worse than any other race, everyone has blood on their hands. I just think that it's high time everyone stops looking at race so hard, and begin holding people accountable as individuals, for our individual actions. Race is just a skin color. It's not that different from hair color, or eye color.
The ---human--- race are the savages. I mean, I respect the Native Americans dude, honestly, because they resisted the Masonic systems for a long time, hince why most natives were wiped out (a sad fact). But, the Natives stood their ground, fought hard, and sacrificed, and I have respect for that, indeed. They'd say "white man speaks with forked toungue", and they were reffering to double speak.
But every race has had genocides. Even the Natives, the Aztecs for one, were quite a brutal empire.


I don't think Aztecs are considered native americans more so than they are considered mesoamericans.

I never understand the mentality of the "neo-azteks". I find it stupid. The spanish conquest was an event which had many consequences to the americas, many of which I feel is outweighed by the good than the bad.



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legal immigrants

the parallel was one designed to show the similarities of Mexican invaders and German stormtroopers. They may be from different time periods but their goal is the same.

Go ahead and be of Mexican descent.. who the bloody hell ever had a problem with that? But if you live in America, be an American first and that involves protecting this country from the current invasion.

Anyway enough of this here on the holocaust thread.
You want to catch up and bounce your "politically correct"
Mexican minded opinions off me.. find me elsewhere.




Your kind really irritates me and frankly if your kind was shot dead I couldn't care less.

The ability to trivialize such horrific events and the audacity to compare them to lesser unrelated event is what makes you arrogant and ignorant.

I am pretty sure you are not kidding as you made a statement about not laughing. Either way, go on believing what you want. After all, you're given the liberties to do so.



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22 Apr 2008, 8:35 am

Fred2670 wrote:
Awesomelyglorious wrote:
Well, no, Odin is merely stating the facts on this case.


They were his opinions and thats a fact


No, they are THE FACTS.


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22 Apr 2008, 12:52 pm

Yeah when say it that way your right we all have the ability to commit evil and if the the right mixture of events happen a whole society can tuirn into somthing like the nazis and considering rwanda its was a former belegian colony when they left control to the tutsi ethinc group and they mistreated the huttu group but in the 1990'sthe power shifted to the huttus and they saw it nesscearry to seek revenge of the mistreatment at the hands of the tutsi's but still thats not excuse but thats what learned about it but i dont know if its true or even the events in the balkans in the nineties. Sorry if i spelt anything wrong.


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22 Apr 2008, 3:03 pm

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White people are to blame

Catagorize them any way you want.

they still white.. know what Im sayin?


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22 Apr 2008, 3:12 pm

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I wouldn't say that the entire Native American race is innocent of historical genocide either. Aztecs killed other natives with impunity before the white settlers came along. I'm not saying Natives are any worse than any other race, everyone has blood on their hands. I just think that it's high time everyone stops looking at race so hard, and begin holding people accountable as individuals, for our individual actions. Race is just a skin color. It's not that different from hair color, or eye color.
The ---human--- race are the savages. I mean, I respect the Native Americans dude, honestly, because they resisted the Masonic systems for a long time, hince why most natives were wiped out (a sad fact). But, the Natives stood their ground, fought hard, and sacrificed, and I have respect for that, indeed. They'd say "white man speaks with forked toungue", and they were reffering to double speak.
But every race has had genocides. Even the Natives, the Aztecs for one, were quite a brutal empire.


Sing to the tune of your favorite schoolyard silly-song:

What the Germans did to the Jews
might be really photogenic
in an oh-my-god-how-tragic-was-that wa-ay-ay
but every nation in this great world
has done something they're not proud of
in every single country mass murder will have its day


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22 Apr 2008, 3:33 pm

Al Gore invented the holocaust. JK.


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22 Apr 2008, 4:00 pm

Fred2670 wrote:
legal immigrants

Legal according to the definition of the European invaders. From the Pilgrim Fathers to the first 100 years of the existence of the USA, I can't remember any treaty with Native Americans that the European settlers or the US government didn't break. But my knowledge of the history of that conquest is not perfect. Perhaps you can find one treaty that was honoured, or even several. If there are any unbroken treaties from those several hundred years, I think they will be a small fraction. That's not a good basis for arguing the legality of your ancestors' immigration.

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the parallel was one designed to show the similarities of Mexican invaders and German stormtroopers. They may be from different time periods but their goal is the same.

Mexican immigrants cross the border to increase the "Lebensraum" of the master race? I didn't know that. Well, you live and learn.



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22 Apr 2008, 4:12 pm

Adolf and his fascist pig-dogs!



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22 Apr 2008, 9:22 pm

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The rise of the Nazis was the end result of the Romantic Nationalism that started in the early 1800s.


But it also incorporated a decidedly non-romantic, medicalized, bureaucratic, industrial attitude toward running the state and, um, killing the Jews. Romantic antisemitism consists of riots. This was the furthest thing from riots (ignore Krystalnacht; everybody but Goebbels considered it an embarrassing incident best forgotten); this was a passionless war machine. Nazi romanticism was a front to keep the average German stupid.


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22 Apr 2008, 10:32 pm

Gromit wrote:
Mexican immigrants cross the border to increase the "Lebensraum" of the master race? I didn't know that. Well, you live and learn.


Thats right.. live and learn baby
dont believe it?

Google this:
Por La Raza todo. Fuera de La Raza nada

(rough translation)
“For the race everything, outside the race nothing"


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Fred2670 wrote:
Gromit wrote:
Mexican immigrants cross the border to increase the "Lebensraum" of the master race? I didn't know that. Well, you live and learn.


Thats right.. live and learn baby
dont believe it?

Google this:
Por La Raza todo. Fuera de La Raza nada

(rough translation)
“For the race everything, outside the race nothing"


The Mexicans are not organized enough to perpetrate a genocide of white people. There may be extremist Mexicans (there are always extremist anythings), but most illegal immigrants are just trying to improve their lives a little. That does not make illegal immigration okay, per se, but it makes it less threatening than most people tend to think.


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27 Apr 2008, 4:14 pm

Caustic Ideas topic

There are many roads to the Jewish genocide known as the Holocaust.
There are many roads that lead to any genocide. This is a very complex topic and one I have been studying for forty years.

Characteristics of states and nations prone to racism and genocide.


The following characteristics were developed from my extensive research over a forty year period, and written after reading the highly informative book by Dwork and Van Pelt entitled Holocaust: A History (2000). No one characteristic can be viewed in isolation, and such generalities may invite criticism. However, taken as a whole, these characteristics can serve as a warning to those studying conflict-prone countries and governments in a contemporary context.

1. Recent Statehood (especially less than fifty years).

2. Arbitrarily set geographical borders (e.g. Balkan states)

3. Political and Economic instability (internal and external regimes influencing each other)

4. Small or non-existent middle class, large underclass and small, yet very wealthy upper class. Clash of classes can and does occur

5. History of political violence and rapid change of government via military coups; one party states without free elections

6. Xenophobic, isolationist and militaristic government policies

7. Perceived threat of cultural minorities (leading to scapegoating)

8. Confusion of state and nation; trying to regain a perceived loss of identity/culture

9. Belief in right to annihilate perceived political/economic threat, either internal, external, or both. Such ideas are often entombed in books such as mein kampf

10. Loss of territory due to war and/or land concessions

11. Weak/non-existent domestic Bill of Rights and/or refusal to concede to Universal United Nations Human Rights

12. Tendency to revise history to suit prevailing mythology, no separation of church/state, i.e. that the church is the state and vice versa

One of the posters made a statement at the bottom of his post that Baby Boomers are the cause of all the world's ills. I could say the same thing about my parents. :P

An interesting topic, MissPickwickian.


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27 Apr 2008, 8:24 pm

I don’t think it’s possible to identify a single philosophy that lead to Nazism. It was definitely a combination of a bunch of cultural elements. With such a vfickle subject it’s difficult to get a true honest intellectual analysis. Everyone likes to use the Nazism as tar baby to stick the political opposition.

People on the right tend to paint materialism and Darwinism as the root of nazi ideology while people on the left like to paint military nationalism and social conservatism as the root. In reality I think all of these ideas were partially responsible, but the people making the arguments aren’t always too intellectually honest IMO.

While there was definitely was a strong element of materialism in the eugenics movement, the right is mistaken when they make the claim that Nazi materialism was a secular movement. The Nazi’s may have perverted some Christian ideals, but they certainly didn’t oppose the Christian religion. Christian anti-Semitism was still alive and well in Nazi Germany.



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27 Apr 2008, 10:32 pm

MissPickwickian wrote:
There may be extremist Mexicans (there are always extremist anythings), but most illegal immigrants are just trying to improve their lives a little.


I agree..

if what you mean by "trying improve their lives a little" involves taking advantage free healthcare, welfare, education and numerous other American taxpayer funded social programs intended to aid lower income Americans only.

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That does not make illegal immigration okay, per se, but it makes it less threatening than most people tend to think.


Believe what you will but make no mistake, what is happening on the southern border is nothing short of war. When will we wake up and realize that the rights of Americans are being jeopardized by the citizens of a foreign nation, who are siezing the opportunity (by abusing the benevolent and generous nature of those such as yourself) to gain a foothold and apply pressure designed to consume and bankrupt our country? At what point will the rights of American citizens on American soil finally be protected?


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