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30 May 2008, 4:01 pm

lau wrote:

I would advise people not to rise to his baiting (more troll-like behaviour), as exemplified by this ridiculous (as in that it has been repeatedly ridiculed) poll.

Jesus was repeatedly ridiculed, and yet He was not ridiculous.
All the people who criticized Him were wrong,
despite their great number and high offices.

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30 May 2008, 4:08 pm

yes but many see him as ridiculous
a lot of people don't want to hear about him

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30 May 2008, 4:10 pm

lau wrote:

I would advise people not to rise to his baiting

it is the internet...

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30 May 2008, 11:16 pm

Jesus - at least he was real.

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30 May 2008, 11:47 pm

Kilroy wrote:

yes but many see him as ridiculous
a lot of people don't want to hear about him

If you mean him as in Jesus, that is because they are fools and intolerant.

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31 May 2008, 12:45 am

hale_bopp wrote:

Jesus - at least he was real.

too bad he hung out with a bunch of douchebags.

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31 May 2008, 5:45 am

skafather84 wrote:

hale_bopp wrote:

Jesus - at least he was real.

too bad he hung out with a bunch of douchebags.

Can't say I know them well enough to form an opinion of them. Satan doesn't exist, neither do heaven and hell.

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31 May 2008, 6:54 am

hale_bopp wrote:

Jesus - at least he was real.

Don't doubt the existence of the Devil. The greatest trick the Devil ever played on man was convincing him he didn't exist. A belief in Jesus necessitates a belief in the Devil. There's at least one story about Jesus in wilderness, being tempted by Satan.

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31 May 2008, 8:19 am

Although one can accept the possibility that someone existed that does not mean his delusions were confirmed.

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31 May 2008, 3:49 pm

Personally, I have doubts that either of those two people exist or even had existed. Either way, I'm not sure which one I would pick. If I chose Jesus, I'd send off the impression that I was a Christian; and if I chose Satan, I would give the impression that I was a Satanist. However, neither of those two have much of an impact on my life, so I won't vote. :roll:

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31 May 2008, 7:36 pm

slowmutant wrote:

hale_bopp wrote:

Jesus - at least he was real.

the greatest trick man came up with was creating an invisible paternal figure that will punish you for all of eternity if you don't follow what the man who is supposedly the direct conduit says.

the greatest trick, by far, is religion. supposedly you can't disprove it because the definition keeps changing. it's interesting how in the literature, the god figure is always a very corporeal figure that directly addresses his followers and designated representatives and yet no such thing exists today.

i agree that jesus was most likely real because it'd be less likely for the religion to form without the initial person involved....but evidence of jesus' existence is pretty flimsy once religious texts are removed and historic records and archaeological evidence is used.

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01 Jun 2008, 9:00 am

DeanFoley wrote:

Neither are real.

But if we were to go with what common delusions *cough* I mean religion says, then Satan is the one who gave us morals and rational thought, while Jesus punished is for his bad planning.

Satan, please :roll:

No need to say please. Chances are, you already have him.

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01 Jun 2008, 9:15 am

Ragtime wrote:

I tell it like it is. Jesus roused people, and He did it deliberately.
He was not a troll, He was a truth teller.

Speaking the truth got Jesus killed, and He knew that it would.
And it didn't just get Him killed, but whipped, beaten, spat upon, and
excruciatingly executed over several hours.
Therefore, I would say that those who killed Him were the trolls.

I have the impression that Jesus was an Abbie Hoffmann type character who was against the rampant corruption of the then currently in power Jewish Temple. That being said, the situation with Jesus has led to an institutional deification of him which has long been as morally bankrupt and corrupt as the administration that he was opposed to, if not worse.

In other words:

Jesus= not bad
Jesus' followers= ineffectual, to misguided, to very bad

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01 Jun 2008, 9:40 am

Jesus' followers were not ineffectual. If the original twelve had really been a bunch of duds, history would have forgotten them and their master. Jesus = not bad? I'm sorry you feel that way. But try not to disrepect.

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01 Jun 2008, 10:26 am

Ragtime wrote:

You couldn't be further from the truth! I was grieved in my spirit yesterday when people were extolling Satan,
and denying Jesus' existance and Lordship. I almost had a bad evening yesterday because it seems that
many of these people are Hell-bound, and that makes me VERY SAD!

Why do you think I go around this forum explaining Christianity and Jesus' teachings as best I can?
It's because I care about people going to Heaven, and because I DON'T want them to go to Hell.

ROFLMAO!

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01 Jun 2008, 10:37 am

I find the notion that my rejection of Christianity is the result of Satan's influence to be both extremely offensive and a disgustingly backhanded way of explaining away criticism of Christianity (kind of like how Marxists explain away criticisms of Marxism as the result of "bourgeois ideology").

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