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02 Aug 2008, 4:05 am

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Why is it stupid? Sex is a continuum, not a binary. If I were to try to get a sex change, it would be very difficult, because I'm really quite female. During the transition, it might be difficult for me to fit in either category. I don't see the need to force people into categories like that. It's the bathroom, just make it unisex. Have a female bathroom, a male bathroom, a trans bathroom, a unisex bathroom, whatever makes people comfortable.


I agree with this. While I would not be supportive of a sudden wave from the "counterculture" I do understand at least the necessity to make those who are outside of the stream as comfortable as they can be. Personally, I would be opposed at the idea of a transgendered boy/male entering women's bathroom and I am sure he would be opposed at being forced to utilize a male bathroom; worse case for the transsexual. Since the third sex bathroom does not go against my beliefs I accept it as a pragmatic approach.



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I think it's economically unfeasible and a waste of money. Are there really that many transgenders to warrant this?


Uhmm, yes. Hijra community in India, and third sex community in the south-east asian countries (like Thailand--the place this new comes from). I do recall hearing that Thai' schools have double digit % of transgender students, at least the one in question.


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02 Aug 2008, 7:23 am

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Please ... please ... please do not call me IGNORANT. :evil:



it's not an insult. it just means you're lacking knowledge about something. remaining ignorant is what's deplorable.



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02 Aug 2008, 7:26 am

here's a random thought: by segregating like that, aren't people setting themselves up for discrimination?



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02 Aug 2008, 7:57 am

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here's a random thought: by segregating like that, aren't people setting themselves up for discrimination?


Are you suggesting defecating and urinating on the same spot? I am by far no liberal so I do not understand why the many of you suggest we all use the same place. The whole discrimination talk is absurd in my opinion. A male is not a female and as such cannot perform as a female, a female is not a male and as such cannot perform as a male. This is a very blatant and natural form of discrimination. It is beyond me to accept that because a man decided to become a eunuch or dress a certain manner that alone entitles him to use the women's bathroom. I would not want a man to enter the same place my mother, wife, daughter, et al enters regardless on the outfit or philosophy the man fashions himself in.


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02 Aug 2008, 10:59 am

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Why have any gender toilets?
Why not just have toilets?
I mean each toilet has it's own little locked cubicle anyway so It's not about privacy.

L.


because the women's is much nicer and they don't want to have to share with such pigs.


...at least, i've yet to see a men's restroom that isn't repulsive. i'm a fairly clean guy but god damn a lot of men are just nasty pigs. i wish i could get special permission to use the women's instead.


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It’s a common misconception that the girls’ room is cleaner than the men’s. That’s just a lie, a filthy, dirty lie. Those of you that have ever gone into the ladies’ room at a bar know that the sights and smells can be extremely nauseating.


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02 Aug 2008, 11:17 am

skafather84 wrote:
slowmutant wrote:
Please ... please ... please do not call me IGNORANT. :evil:



it's not an insult. it just means you're lacking knowledge about something. remaining ignorant is what's deplorable.


Funny you should use that word.



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02 Aug 2008, 11:26 am

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Please ... please ... please do not call me IGNORANT. :evil:

:lol: Sometimes I wonder if you are really serious, but still, I like your posts :P


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02 Aug 2008, 11:38 am

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young boys who would rather be girls were finding themselves being criticized in the men's room, and making the teenage girls uncomfortable when attempting to use the women's room.

In this case, I see a good reason for the need of a third gender bathroom.
I actually wondered how transgenders deal with public restrooms, specially for transexuals.

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I don't see the need to force people into categories like that. It's the bathroom, just make it unisex.

I agree, I think that might be part of the problem, if people get used to it, from birth, of the use of a unisex bathroom system, it could change things, I even think that might give some sense of equality.


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02 Aug 2008, 11:54 am

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I agree, I think that might be part of the problem, if people get used to it, from birth, of the use of a unisex bathroom system, it could change things, I even think that might give some sense of equality.


Please explain this to me: Why would a unisex bathroom be a good thing? How would it advocate equality?

I am very set on my beliefs that women and men should not mix so freely, especially in a private place like bathrooms. Add the transgendered/sexual, I don't see much god out of it.


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02 Aug 2008, 12:24 pm

oscuria wrote:
greenblue wrote:
I agree, I think that might be part of the problem, if people get used to it, from birth, of the use of a unisex bathroom system, it could change things, I even think that might give some sense of equality.


Please explain this to me: Why would a unisex bathroom be a good thing? How would it advocate equality?

I am very set on my beliefs that women and men should not mix so freely, especially in a private place like bathrooms. Add the transgendered/sexual, I don't see much god out of it.


Social boundaries get blurred over time. Eventually people aren't going to pay it as much mind anymore. The reason the facilities are divided into two was largely a concern of function, but now it's largely social. Say a transgendered man goes to the men's room but is heckled by other men for basically his existence; but if he tries the women's facilities there'll be a riot 'cause there's a penis in the women's facilities! That's the whole reason this "third room" bit popped up to begin with.

You can keep dividing the facilities to accommodate the further-dividing social groups and end up without a dozen bathrooms because people don't want to piss in the same room, or you could just say "f**k it, it'll be cheaper to have one room to fit everyone's needs." Probably not tomorrow, probably not even this century, but it'll happen at some point. Eventually people will just see the toilet as another utility.



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02 Aug 2008, 12:56 pm

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This is a strange idea. Transsexuals still do their business with either male or female plumbing, do they not? Even if you have formally disavowed your penis or your vagina, it's still what you use to urinate. And the toilet doesn't care which sex you are. I guess you could say this is a concession to the TG folks. A gesture.

Are there urinals in Third Sex bathrooms? Tampon-dispensers, condom-dispensers, or both?


Sorry for whining about details, but the vagina is not used for urination. They use an extremely small opening right above the vulva.


The vulva and vagina are more or less the same thing, are they not? Thanks for that bit of gynecology.


Vulva is the outside (vulva and labia) , the vagina (actual entrance) is behind those and not visable from outside when staring at a naked woman.


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02 Aug 2008, 1:04 pm

I'm going to have to your word on that. I haven't studied gynecological medicine. :wink:



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02 Aug 2008, 2:09 pm

DejaQ wrote:
oscuria wrote:
greenblue wrote:
I agree, I think that might be part of the problem, if people get used to it, from birth, of the use of a unisex bathroom system, it could change things, I even think that might give some sense of equality.


Please explain this to me: Why would a unisex bathroom be a good thing? How would it advocate equality?

I am very set on my beliefs that women and men should not mix so freely, especially in a private place like bathrooms. Add the transgendered/sexual, I don't see much god out of it.


Social boundaries get blurred over time. Eventually people aren't going to pay it as much mind anymore. The reason the facilities are divided into two was largely a concern of function, but now it's largely social. Say a transgendered man goes to the men's room but is heckled by other men for basically his existence; but if he tries the women's facilities there'll be a riot 'cause there's a penis in the women's facilities! That's the whole reason this "third room" bit popped up to begin with.

You can keep dividing the facilities to accommodate the further-dividing social groups and end up without a dozen bathrooms because people don't want to piss in the same room, or you could just say "f**k it, it'll be cheaper to have one room to fit everyone's needs." Probably not tomorrow, probably not even this century, but it'll happen at some point. Eventually people will just see the toilet as another utility.



I would probably slap my kid, grand-child, and so on, for wanting to enter women's bathroom. I still can't understand this. I understand the necessity of a third sex classification, I do not understand the dissolution of classifications altogether. In your house everyone uses the same bathroom for showering and what not, but most households don't occupy it at the same time. To share a public bathroom with women is degenerate.


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02 Aug 2008, 2:23 pm

I agree.



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02 Aug 2008, 2:42 pm

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I would probably slap my kid, grand-child, and so on, for wanting to enter women's bathroom. I still can't understand this. I understand the necessity of a third sex classification, I do not understand the dissolution of classifications altogether. In your house everyone uses the same bathroom for showering and what not, but most households don't occupy it at the same time. To share a public bathroom with women is degenerate.


The rules of society change all the time. If it keeps going, eventually the rules will change beyond what either of us can comprehend. Ultimately if you try to have separate rooms for the men, women, gay men, gay women, bisexuals, transvestites, mtf transsexuals, ftm transsexuals, genderqueer, intersexed, or whatever, you just have a bunch of arbitrarily separated rooms.

Not to mis-characterize your argument, but in much of my home country people once thought that facilities segregated by race were the only decent way to live. I can draw similarities to this argument; I can draw differences, but there are still parallels.

I'm not asking you to agree with me, I'm just showing that I have reasons for my opinions, as do you, and it's through the elaboration of these reasons through civilized discourse that allows us to at least tolerate each other's presence.



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02 Aug 2008, 2:51 pm

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The rules of society change all the time. If it keeps going, eventually the rules will change beyond what either of us can comprehend. Ultimately if you try to have separate rooms for the men, women, gay men, gay women, bisexuals, transvestites, mtf transsexuals, ftm transsexuals, genderqueer, intersexed, or whatever, you just have a bunch of arbitrarily separated rooms.

Not to mis-characterize your argument, but in much of my home country people once thought that facilities segregated by race were the only decent way to live. I can draw similarities to this argument; I can draw differences, but there are still parallels.

I'm not asking you to agree with me, I'm just showing that I have reasons for my opinions, as do you, and it's through the elaboration of these reasons through civilized discourse that allows us to at least tolerate each other's presence.


Every situation can be more or less drawn into comparison with many events in historical which we all should look down upon. However, how is it sensible to want to share a bathroom that a woman is occupying (if you are not a woman)? It is not. You can certainly make the argument but such an event would not be for the better.

I am only aware that the classification of the third sex is designated to transgender and transsexuals, mainly because they do not identify with their natural sex and mainly because their desire will still not produce a 100% sex change--hence not making them fully male neither fully female. That is it. Gay men are men and lesbian women are women. They do not necessarily want to change their sex/gender. A transgender/transsexual would/has.


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