People Trying to Convert you

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You see, this is precisely what we were talking about. On a fairly regular basis, people like you ridicule my personal beliefs, insinuate (or say outright) that I am delusional/irrational/superstitious/stupid for holding them, dismiss my own personal ideas, which I am NOT forcing on you, out of hand, and then b***h about what horrible people we are. It gets old. I don't mind meeting "the occasional atheist," I have nothing against atheists at all. It's just when they tell me I'm an idiot because of my beliefs, or that I am automatically less intelligent for believing in God that I get annoyed. And atheists do this A LOT!! !

Thing is Orwell you do believe in something that constantly has to change its position every time science comes up with a credible explaination to one of its beliefs. eg

1. It was heresy to suggest that the earth was not the centre of the universe
2. Adam and Eve now become inteligent design and there is a serious hunt on to find something that proves irreducible complexity.
3. The earth is only 5000 years old, again completey blown out of the water. Hmm where did thos e dinosaurs come from

You cannot prove or disprove the existance of god, but the scientific data does suggest that god is highly improbable. If you refuse to look at science and carrying on in blind faith thats up to you. The reason Astheists get so pissed off is because unfounded religious belief makes its way into countries laws and creates havoc for many people. You get upset cos people ridicule you well try being homosexual and have laws passed against you because of religious belief. Atheists give religious believers a hard time because they disrupt so many lives

I have a rounded education on this subject. I went to a Roman Catholic school, was even an alter boy, conversly I have read Darwins Theory of evolution and other books arguing against god. I refuse to work on blind faith and superstition alone and find it disturbing that so many people do.

Until science proves otherwise or god comes to say hello. I will thnk religion is superstitious clap trap, originally formed by people to explain the unexplained and perpetuated by those that refuse to look at the evidence

Faith in a divine being is merely belief in someone whose existance can not be proven.

Unfortunately, humans have mucked up that faith with religion, which is the political expression of faith.

"Believe as thou wilt, but the First Law is Love;
Therefore, above all else, thou shalt do no harm."

Dent, you know scientific theories are not static. Religious doctrines are subject to change as well. Religion used to be the gatekeeper of science, but nowadays that's not the case. Religion, science, politics, all these things are interrelated.

From the 5th century on, theologians have argued against literal interpretations of Genesis. I'm Protestant, we never persecuted heliocentrists.


Ha, I'm a biology major. Intelligent design and irreducible complexity are both a load of bull and not really anything to do with Christianity.


Again, not my beliefs but those of some fringe morons. Nice collection of straw men, though.


If it makes you feel any better, I'm not in favor of passing any laws to reflect my religious values. Heck, I'm pro-gay marriage. Fallacy of composition is what you're committing here.


Darwin was a Christian, buddy. His book doesn't argue against God, and his book isn't good science, either. I've read it, and much of what he believed is not accepted by any serious scientist today- after all, he knew nothing about genetics, since he didn't have access to Mendel's research.


It is not all "blind faith and superstition."


For you to claim such certainty like that is just an arrogant load of BS. If it were that simple, there would be no dispute because it would be obvious to everyone. Let's face it- neither you nor I know for sure, and it takes a certain level of faith for either of us to hold to our beliefs. I don't bash on atheists for their beliefs. Please return the favor.

Only to people who insist on making them interrelated. To me, science and religion are separate spheres of knowledge. They address different questions, so how can they be in conflict? Only when you try to get everything you will ever know from a single source do you run into problems.

The gulf between science and religion is actually getting narrower, especialy since the advent of quantum physics.

I met a person, who was nice a while ago, didn't try to convert us, he just gave us a magazine and that was it. So it depends on the situation when being with someone, in the case of a JW, I think he was not that devoted as others, might be so, some would feel the urge of converting you, which would be better to avoid, in the case of a JW, well, it is part of their doctrine, their duty for them to go spreading the word from house to house. and some of their dogma are pure nonesense (blood), although their rejection of the Trinity is quite interesting.

I'd rather have tea with a JW than talk to a Dawkinsian e-atheist. The former is more likely to be civil.

And not plagiarize someone else's lousy argument.

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look for the number 15 and i guarantee you that you'll find it everywhere.

We can almost touch God with the advent of the String Theory.

... of neither is there any evidence, only faith in esoteric writings by obscure old men.

Zing! but then is not String Theory bringing science closer to religion?

Maybe ... if you consider that only a special 'priesthood' of enlightened people who mutter an arcane labguage into their beards while enscribing their inspirations in illuminated tomes that will rarely (if ever) be taken outside of their cloistered cells to be shared with the rest of the world in any meaningfull way ... and that it takes a great leap of faith to believe in unprovable concepts like String Theory and God, even when invoking the past knowledge and wisdom of departed saints (Asimov, Einstein, Sagan, et cetera) then, yes, science is moving closer to religion.

Leave it to the religionists to muck up something as pure as scientific investigation.

I know a young man who was thinking about going back to church, he went where he use to live. But when he moved here he didn't know where to go and he fell into the worse group of friends he could have fallan into. He did see this one church but he didn't know it was a church because it didn't look like one. It was really close to where he lived. He told me if someone from there had invited him he would have gone. Instead noone talked to him except the friends he hung out with. The friends who he hung out beat him up and then dared him to shoot up his school. He is now in prison for the rest of his life. Whats wrong with this world???? Christians not doing what we are suppose to.

I can see how religion can help someone there
I remember several cases of people trying to convert me, I just never liked the idea of religion
the idea of having to thank someone for something I rightfully did myself
if I ever meet a girl it will be because I did something, not God