18 Aug 2008, 3:41 pm
ok, so the world has been here millions of years. Humans have only been here thousands of years. But adam and eve were put here soon after the world was created apparently. That is impossible. I don't have to try and think of something to ask you, they are the facts. Which I don't think the author of the bible realised at the time 
18 Aug 2008, 4:24 pm
18 Aug 2008, 4:28 pm
benjimanbreeg wrote:
ok, so the world has been here millions of years. Humans have only been here thousands of years. But adam and eve were put here soon after the world was created apparently. That is impossible. I don't have to try and think of something to ask you, they are the facts. Which I don't think the author of the bible realised at the time
I don't know what you're arguing. If you're a young-Earth creationist, you believe that the Earth was created in six days and humans soon after. But the current scientific community holds that homo sapiens is thousands of years old but the Earth a matter of billions.
18 Aug 2008, 4:30 pm
Phagocyte wrote:
benjimanbreeg wrote:
ok, so the world has been here millions of years. Humans have only been here thousands of years. But adam and eve were put here soon after the world was created apparently. That is impossible. I don't have to try and think of something to ask you, they are the facts. Which I don't think the author of the bible realised at the time
I don't know what you're arguing. If you're a young-Earth creationist, you believe that the Earth was created in six days and humans soon after. But the current scientific community holds that homo sapiens is thousands of years old but the Earth a matter of billions.
rofl. Um yeah thats exactly what i'm trying to say!
18 Aug 2008, 4:32 pm
18 Aug 2008, 4:35 pm
slowmutant wrote:
corroonb wrote:
Is "faith" somehow immune from rational argument? Is it not a concept held by some without reason?
I do not understand the need for a concept when there is no proof. Religion should not be exempt from rational argument and neither should any other form of human thought.
I don't believe the logical discussion of a religion is a form of zealotry. Why is it a form of zealotry? Why is religion an untouchable idea?
If I told you it was my religion that the earth was 3,000 years old and created by a race of sentient lizards, you would ask me why I believe this. I would say that it is because of my faith and is not open to argument. I would be holding irrational opinions identical to those held by the religious.
How is it possible for some humans to understand "faith" and other snot to? Why do I not understand it? Am I being willfully ignorant of what is so apparent and obvious to the enlightened?
I do not understand the need for a concept when there is no proof. Religion should not be exempt from rational argument and neither should any other form of human thought.
I don't believe the logical discussion of a religion is a form of zealotry. Why is it a form of zealotry? Why is religion an untouchable idea?
If I told you it was my religion that the earth was 3,000 years old and created by a race of sentient lizards, you would ask me why I believe this. I would say that it is because of my faith and is not open to argument. I would be holding irrational opinions identical to those held by the religious.
How is it possible for some humans to understand "faith" and other snot to? Why do I not understand it? Am I being willfully ignorant of what is so apparent and obvious to the enlightened?
Maybe you are being wilfullly ignorant. But that's of lesser importance than the good things which we the faithful do in His name.
What good things people do fathful in His name? suicide bombings?
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18 Aug 2008, 4:43 pm
slowmutant wrote:
Maybe you are being wilfullly ignorant. But that's of lesser importance than the good things which we the faithful do in His name.
No I would say that you are being wilfully ignorant, you of faith need to realise that it is just that and nothing else. To tryand argue your faith in a rational manner does make you seem a bit silly. I dont want to ridicule faith, but you do leave yourself open to it when you try and use rational arguements that fly in the face of science, as we know it. And as for the good things you the faithfull do in his name, maybe you and a few others do good deeds, but I wouldnt lump yourself in with all the other selfserving bastards that share your faith. Personally if I were religious I would just say 'it does seem irrational but I have faith in my belief' no one can argue with you then.
18 Aug 2008, 4:56 pm
benjimanbreeg wrote:
ok, so the world has been here millions of years. Humans have only been here thousands of years. But adam and eve were put here soon after the world was created apparently. That is impossible. I don't have to try and think of something to ask you, they are the facts. Which I don't think the author of the bible realised at the time
No no no. You don't even sound as though you could pass a middle-school science class. The world is estimated to be billions of years old, not millions, and humans are estimated to have been around for 130,000-200,000 years. If you're going to try to play that card, at least get your numbers right.
Pathetic. And anyways, that's only a problem for one specific interpretation of Genesis that is not shared by most Christians, and certainly not by most theologians. You fail. Try again.
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18 Aug 2008, 5:09 pm
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No no no. You don't even sound as though you could pass a middle-school science class. The world is estimated to be billions of years old, not millions, and humans are estimated to have been around for 130,000-200,000 years. If you're going to try to play that card, at least get your numbers right. Pathetic. And anyways, that's only a problem for one specific interpretation of Genesis that is not shared by most Christians, and certainly not by most theologians. You fail. Try again.
Pathetic. And anyways, that's only a problem for one specific interpretation of Genesis that is not shared by most Christians, and certainly not by most theologians. You fail. Try again.Just stop it Orwell!! !! !! !! I cant cope continuing to agree with you.
18 Aug 2008, 5:49 pm
Orwell wrote:
benjimanbreeg wrote:
ok, so the world has been here millions of years. Humans have only been here thousands of years. But adam and eve were put here soon after the world was created apparently. That is impossible. I don't have to try and think of something to ask you, they are the facts. Which I don't think the author of the bible realised at the time
No no no. You don't even sound as though you could pass a middle-school science class. The world is estimated to be billions of years old, not millions, and humans are estimated to have been around for 130,000-200,000 years. If you're going to try to play that card, at least get your numbers right.
Pathetic. And anyways, that's only a problem for one specific interpretation of Genesis that is not shared by most Christians, and certainly not by most theologians. You fail. Try again.millions is billions dumbfuck. You fail, you still haven't given an explination. That is in the beggining of the bible isn't it, on day 1 god said let there be light, and all that BS. Go on believing your fake religion. Haha, I pitty you.
18 Aug 2008, 6:10 pm
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What good things people do fathful in His name? suicide bombings?
Suicide-bombings, so-called "martyrdom", is a cowardly act done by weak-minded fools spurred by the carnal promise of 72 virgins. Rewarding murder & mayhem with the promise of afterlife nookie is the lowest things I've ever heard of, and you are a weak-minded fool if you believe this is representative of religion in general.
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