Making Sense of What Looks Like Illogicality/Inefficiency

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04 Sep 2008, 4:30 am

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Spatial organization is an interesting topic to me. Your mention of needing to intricately traverse a complicated social universe in what would otherwise be a quick walk reminds me of a film I once saw called the Goddess and the Computer. It was about water temples on Bali - every village has a series of dams and gates to hold water or let it through, and they have a water temple and water priest. Doing a computer analysis, some researchers from a US university found that the rules of the water temples had developed over time to lead to a near optimal allocation of fluctuating water resources - the decisions made by each temple affected everyone downstream, and the water could cause flooding or shortages, increase mosquitos, or lead to water levels ideal for rice. It was kind of a cellular automata, where each unit had relatively simple decision rules, and a complex pattern emerged from that.

Brilliant. :D That is the sort of thing I was hoping to hear about.

And I would love to know the name of the island(s) I was talking about, because I can't remember it but would like to read about it again/find out more.

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04 Sep 2008, 8:52 am

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One example is computers. Computers use the 101010 because that's the way our conscious mind tries to figure things out, it is linear, sequential, and always a yes or no decision between this or that.


Computers used decimal numbers until Konrad Zuse came along

It's true that the binary system corresponds to true and false, but that has not so much to do with the way we process data as it does to do with the way that computers do

And I have no idea how you are linking 'linear' and 'sequential' to the use of binary numbers

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While this seems to be about the most inefficient way to solve anything


It's very efficient, although ternary computers might have some advantages


I posted to show a different way of looking at things. Now if you are so close to outsmarting yourself that you believe you have the only correct view of things, then obviously you aren't going to relinquish that position just to look at things a different way.

There is nothing I can or would ever do to change that, but if you really want to figure things out you'll have to cut back on projecting your phd on all us lesser humans and use your massive intellect to find the value in every point of view.

It's odd that you complain about being brow beaten when throughout this thread you have been the most guilty of it.

I'm not attacking you. I thought for some time on how to respond in a helpful way but anything less subtle wouldn't make it through your projecting.

I was considered a child prodigy and plucked out of the normal educational system in the 2nd grade, my life since being dedicated to something that isn't even offered as a career choice through the educational system. One side effect of that was people telling me how f'g smart I was and me thinking that everyone else was stupid. I have since learned the only thing that was stupid was me thinking anyone or anything around me lacked the intelligence I was working with.

We're all tards here, let's not be throwing rocks in a glass house. Remember, we're all on the same side :)


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04 Sep 2008, 12:16 pm

BallisticMystic wrote:
I posted to show a different way of looking at things. Now if you are so close to outsmarting yourself that you believe you have the only correct view of things, then obviously you aren't going to relinquish that position just to look at things a different way.


You didn't offer any justification for your view, which was very very tenuous to begin with. That's the bottom line.

The writings of Nostradamus or the Popul Vuh are 'different ways of looking at things' too but that doesn't mean I'm narrow-minded for throwing them out. That simply means I applied 'skepticism'.

It's true that "your mind is like a parachute; it only functions when it is open" but it's also true that "if you open your mind too wide, people will fill it with trash".

In short, I believe that using facts is the correct and balanced way of viewing things, and I'm not going to budge from it an inch.

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There is nothing I can or would ever do to change that, but if you really want to figure things out you'll have to cut back on projecting your phd on all us lesser humans and use your massive intellect to find the value in every point of view.


I only appreciate facts, kthx.

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It's odd that you complain about being brow beaten when throughout this thread you have been the most guilty of it.


I didn't browbeat you. Facts did.

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I'm not attacking you. I thought for some time on how to respond in a helpful way but anything less subtle wouldn't make it through your projecting.


Well it sure looks like you succeeded.

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I have since learned the only thing that was stupid was me thinking anyone or anything around me lacked the intelligence I was working with.


If that's the case then you can do my real analysis coursework for me.

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We're all tards here, let's not be throwing rocks in a glass house. Remember, we're all on the same side :)


No.


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04 Sep 2008, 12:30 pm

rebel with(out) a cause?


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04 Sep 2008, 12:31 pm

I have a cause of some kind.


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04 Sep 2008, 12:33 pm

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I have a cause of some kind.


I am all ears


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04 Sep 2008, 12:38 pm

Aw shucks

To make scientific and mathematical research the highest goal (and only goal) of civilization

Of course I can only do so little...


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04 Sep 2008, 3:16 pm

tht's a high aim


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04 Sep 2008, 3:45 pm

Yeah like I said I can't do much but I can try


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