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of what aren't you convinced of, that George Bush snr speaks about New World Order?.. its right there on the vid

Yeah he obviously meant something different than crackpot conspiracy theorist garbage though

Chever, with all due respect, he's stated at the start of the thread that this is for discussion, not bickering and insulting. All this is turning into is another case of someone trying to get their opinions across - which is not illegal, I'll remind you, everyone is perfectly entitled to believe what they want - with another person ridiculing everything they say. It's annoying and it's not conducive to learning, sharing, or a decent discussion or debate. Please stop and just let him put across his theories and ideas. Some of us find it very interesting. We know you don't agree, we can see you don't agree, you've got your point across, now how about you just leave it so the rest of us can get on? It's one thread; surely you can let it go.

Hm

Hmmm

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No.

Ok, I watched that, and it was exactly what I was talking about. Many have long called for a body that would extend the rule of law to the global stage - which is not necessarily the same as world control by the secret few. I think the idea of the UN is a good one, but in practice, it has not always lived up to what it could do, and regional alliances (NATO, etc) are often more effective.

Really, the idea of one big conspiracy makes no sense to me - I much prefer the idea of many, more modest conspiracies. If there were only one conspiracy, it would have succeeded by now.

Here's a modest-sized conspiracy: the Project for a New American Century, which infiltrated the Republican Party and took us to war in Iraq - they were pretty transparent the whole way about their intentions (except for selling the war to the US public), and weren't even able to pull that one off smoothly. They thought it would be easy, and then they could roll into Syria, Iran and other targets, but the members of that conspiracy couldn't tie their shoe laces and got bogged down in Iraq. Meanwhile, the North Koreans got nukes and blocked that arm of the plan. So the attempt to establish unipolar military hegemony failed. The US is the largest, strongest military in the world, but the limits of its power are clear.

Yeah, these smaller, more mundane conspiracies are much easier to believe, and have actual evidence.

"A Lie can only go unseen if it is large enough to consume your scope of view" .. that is my opinion. So you saying that the smaller conspiracies are easier to see is fairly obvious.. that's because they aren't big enough.. the conspiracies work bit by bit but they all connect together somewhere and it is where they connect that you still cannot see

Better! Still pretty inconclusive, but odd enough to make me go sniffing around a bit more.

Thank God.. at least the thread wasn't for nothing.

Last edited by ShawnWilliam on 07 Sep 2008, 8:03 pm, edited 1 time in total.

Chever, dude, stop trashing other people's threads. It's annoying and unproductive. If you don't like it then don't read it. We get that you don't believe it, that's fine. Stop behaving like a five-year-old.

Yeah.

If ya got 'em.

Interesting.

If there really were just one big conspiracy, what is to stop them from achieving their nefarious ends? In the real world, there are competing interests - as a conspiracy gathers steam, it generates opposition. Why would the illuminati never fight among themselves, the way the countries or mafia styled syndicates do?

David Byrne (of the Talking Heads) put out a movie a ways back called "True Stories" - they had one scene in there called "Puzzling Evidence" that not only had a great song, but the song fit in with the the whole conspiracy thing.

Call me a skeptic as I have seen too many of the conspiracy things fall apart. I recall one book that described how The Conspiracy had a map the size of a football field that was used to model moving around people, commodities, etc as part of what 'they' were planning to do to achieve world domination. The center they referred to was the World Game Project, founded by Buckminster Fuller, it was at a university I was attending, and I was quite familiar with it. What really went on there was absolutely nothing like the conspiracy group described - it was to educate people about geography, planning, and using technology to meet human needs.

well anyways.. here's a few. These are good thought provoking ones, not AS informative.

Michael Parenti (1933-)

"The enormous gap between what US leaders do in the world and what Americans think their leaders are doing is one of the great propaganda accomplishments of the dominant political mythology."
Michael Parenti (1933-), political scientist, author

"Wars are seldom caused by spontaneous hatreds between people, for peoples in general are too ignorant of one another to have grievances and too indifferent to what goes on beyond their borders to plan conquests. They must be urged to the slaughter by politicians who know how to alarm them."
H.L. Mencken (1880-1956)

"Few of us can easily surrender our belief that society must somehow make sense. The thought that The State has lost its mind and is punishing so many innocent people is intolerable. And so the evidence has to be internally denied."
Arthur Miller (1915-2005) playwright

"The masses have never thirsted after truth. Whoever can supply them with illusions is easily their master; whoever attempts to destroy their illusions is always their victim".
Gustave Le Bon (1841-1931);"The Crowd"


"I refuse to be silent any longer. I refuse to be party to an illegal and immoral war against people who did nothing to deserve our aggression. My oath of office is to protect and defend America's laws and its people. By refusing unlawful orders for an illegal war, I fulfill that oath today."
U.S. Army First Lt. Ehren Watada (1978-)


"There will be, in the next generation or so, a pharmacological method of making people love their servitude, and producing dictatorship without tears, so to speak, producing a kind of painless concentration camp for entire societies, so that people will in fact have their liberties taken away from them, but will rather enjoy it, because they will be distracted from any desire to rebel by propaganda or brainwashing, or brainwashing enhanced by pharmacological methods. And this seems to be the final revolution."
Aldous Huxley (1894-1963), Tavistock Group, California Medical School, 1961


"America Has Never Left Nov. 22, 1963 [The Kennedy assassination. editor's note]. And until they continue to "beat around the Bush," so to speak, America will always remain in that cursed day."
Bertrand Russell (1872-1970)


"[t]he Reds have been working around the clock in this study of the scientific manipulation and control of information. It is based on the findings of Pavlov which say that a man, like an animal, conditioned to respond to certain impulses, can be conditioned to respond to words, phrases and symbols. [Rock music and "rap "- the rage of the current young - immediately come to mind.] Therefore you pour in the words, phrases and symbols to which he will respond without thinking. And then you withhold other certain words which will cause him to respond in a way which you may not desire. It is the scientific control of human beings by means of control information."
Speech by Herbert Philbrick (1915-1993), Ex-Communist who wrote "I Led Three Lives"


"Let no man think we can deny civil liberty to others and retain it for ourselves. When zealous agents of the Government arrest suspected "radicals" without warrant, hold them without prompt trial, deny them access to counsel and admission of bail....we have shorn the Bill of Rights of its sanctity..."
Robert M. Lafollette, Sr. (1855-1925) U.S. Senator - Source: The Progressive, March 1920


this one makes sense

"Of all tyrannies, a tyranny exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It may be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep, his cupidity may at some point be satiated; but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end, for they do so with the approval of their consciences."
Clive Staples Lewis (1898-1963), British novelist and author of the "The Chronicles of Narnia"



"Some explanations of a crime are not explanations: they're part of the crime."
Olavo de Carvalho (1949-)


"Next the statesmen will invent cheap lies, putting the blame upon the nation that is attacked, and every man will be glad of those conscience-soothing tactics, and will diligently study them, and refuse to examine any refutations of them; and thus he will by and by convince himself that the war is just, and will thank God for the better sleep he enjoys after this process of grotesque self-deception"
Mark Twain (1835-1910)


"We should never forget that everything Adolf Hitler did in Germany was 'legal' and everything the Hungarian freedom fighters did in Hungary was 'illegal.'"
Martin Luther King, Jr. (1923-1968), "Letter from Birmingham Jail," Why We Can't Wait, 1963


"The press is so powerful in its image-making role, it can make a criminal look like he's the victim and make the victim look like he's the criminal. This is the press, an irresponsible press." . . . . "If you aren't careful, the newspapers will have you hating the people who are being oppressed and loving the people who are doing the oppressing." "At the Audubon, December 13, 1964."
Malcolm X (1925-1965) In Malcolm X Speaks: Selected Speeches and Statements, ed. George Breitman, 96-114. New York: Ballantine Books, 1964, 101


"A State divided into a small number of rich and a large number of poor will always develop a government manipulated by the rich to protect the amenities represented by their property."
Harold Laski (1893-1950)

"Freethinkers are those who are willing to use their minds without prejudice and without fearing to understand things that clash with their customs, privileges, or beliefs. This state of mind is not common, but it is essential for right thinking; where it is absent, discussion is apt to become worse than useless."
Leo Nikolaevich Tolstoy - (1828-1910) Russian writer Source: On Life and Essays on Religion


"This is, in theory, still a free country [the US], but our politically correct, censorious times are such that many of us tremble to give vent to perfectly acceptable views for fear of condemnation. Freedom of speech is thereby imperiled, big questions go undebated, and great lies become accepted, unequivocally as great truths."
Simon Heffer (b. 1960) Source: Daily Mail, 7 June 2000

"You must be the change you want to see in the world"
Mahatma Gandhi (1869-1948)


These are all very random and dont relate to the Illuminati.. but i like em

OK, so let's just say for s**ts and giggles that it's all basically true even if the details are a little hazy. You could waste a lifetime on a wild goose chase trying to prove it, so let's go beyond that.

Let's say that there are occult/esoteric groups with the most powerful men in the world among their membership. What is the lure for them? It's not money because they literally make the s**t, so what is it they're after?

What is the New World Order from their eyes? I mean these are men, filthy stinking rich men but still men, probably even putting their own pants on. What is it that all this money is being poured into? It's gotta be something huge for all of the most powerful people in the world to be involved in it.

If it's true that everything we're taught is BS, then what ISN'T BS and how do you figure that out when you're swimming in BS? How do you think outside the box when you're inside the box?

With wisdom careful thought, questioning your surroundings..

here's a brief explanation



Wes Penre


The purpose with this website is to reveal the real powers behind the scenes of politics, media, business and entertainment. Illuminati News is not an organization or an organized group, but the mission of one person, whom via a network of other researchers and people in general, willing to help out with information, has the purpose of lifting the veil of secrecy that has led the world into the condition it is in at this moment.

This webmaster is of the conviction that the world is controlled by a network of secret societies, with the goal to create a New World Order and a One World Government. This network of extremely wealthy and powerful people have, through lies, half truths and propaganda, succeeded in making more and more of the world population believe that a world without borders is a world of peace; a world without wars. They are working hard to make us believe that Globalization is the road to freedom, when in fact it is the road to enslavement.

I want to show the readers of this website that behind this sweet talk is a malevolent agenda to control the world and make us slaves in a global society run by a World Dictator (a World CEO) and a web of power-hungry people behind the scenes. Their purpose is to create a Super Socialist State, worse than the former Soviet Union, with a micro-chipped population, who can be tracked and controlled remotely from a Super Computer, located in Brussels, Belgium.

I want to show the readers of this website that this network of secret societies, commonly called the Illuminati, The Conquering Wind of Moriah, or simply the Brotherhood, is the force behind this goal, and that this goal, which they call "The Great Work of the Ages", has been worked towards for thousands of years.

I also want to stress how important it is for us all to wake up from the web of lies that this group of secret societies has spun, because if we don't wake up and start acting against this force, mainly on a spiritual level, we are doomed to becoming slaves under the New World Order. If the Illuminati succeed in micro chipping the world population, they will also stop our spiritual growth, because this is also something the microchips can do, by slowing down the speed our bodies and spirits vibrate at, preventing us from reaching higher levels of existence. What these higher levels of existence are is explained in the Spiritual Section of this website.

This webmaster does not subscribe to any religion, group or secret society. I am me and am not following any dogmas. I believe the truth is inside ourselves, and only you as an individual can free yourself from the bonds of this physical reality by developing spiritually. I further believe that all major religions are manmade and created with a purpose to control the masses and turn friend against friend. Religions also alienate people from each other, often create conflicts and violence amongst otherwise peaceful people.

We are at war. However, this war can not be fought with fire arms, but is a spiritual war and needs to be fought on a spiritual level!

Wes Penre, Illuminati News

http://www.illuminati-news.com/index.htm

We Penre has the best website for learning about the Illuminati with hundreds of interviews and a lot of collected information from thousands of sources. Props to him.