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15 Sep 2008, 11:10 pm

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here's a good video of creationism vrs evolutionism

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7m9Wabr2 ... re=related

So? That's not relevant to most Christians' theology, and certainly not to mine. Only a small minority of Christians are also creationists.


that's ret*d.. christianity is creationism whether they volunteer to be called that or not.. creationist is a title for christian debaters that go head to head with evolution theory scientists.. a creationist though is just someone who believes in creation.



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15 Sep 2008, 11:27 pm

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that's ret*d.. christianity is creationism whether they volunteer to be called that or not.. creationist is a title for christian debaters that go head to head with evolution theory scientists.. a creationist though is just someone who believes in creation.

No, it really isn't. I am a Christian but not a creationist. I accept the theory of evolution as factual. Please don't caricature and straw-man my views.

And you misspelled "ret*d." That is really quite pathetic.


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15 Sep 2008, 11:34 pm

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that's ret*d.. christianity is creationism whether they volunteer to be called that or not.. creationist is a title for christian debaters that go head to head with evolution theory scientists.. a creationist though is just someone who believes in creation.

No, it really isn't. I am a Christian but not a creationist. I accept the theory of evolution as factual. Please don't caricature and straw-man my views.

And you misspelled "ret*d." That is really quite pathetic.


i misspell a lot, but you spelled it the same way as i did.. how do you spell it?


so you're a christian, and you accept Christ as your savior?.. but you believe strongly in evolution?.. which preacher told you that evolution was the way?.. or which bible? is it written in the bible?..

If you believe in evolution i assume it's based around the notion of Genesis and the idea that for God one day was a thousand days, or something to that nature.. and you realise that for at least a thousand days the plants had no sun to grow.. well, that's a pretty strong theory my friend. but you can't mix christianity and evolution, they are seperate religions..



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15 Sep 2008, 11:35 pm

Evolution isn't a religion.


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15 Sep 2008, 11:38 pm

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Evolution isn't a religion.


going into religion you need faith, not proof.. going into evolution theory you need.. faith, not proof..



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16 Sep 2008, 12:17 am

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so you're a christian, and you accept Christ as your savior?.. but you believe strongly in evolution?.. which preacher told you that evolution was the way?.. or which bible? is it written in the bible?..

Wow, you completely misunderstand Christianity. Something need not be in the Bible to be true. Calculus is not in the Bible, but I believe in calculus. Science and religion are separate spheres of knowledge, no preacher needs to tell me to believe the conclusions of scientists.

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If you believe in evolution i assume it's based around the notion of Genesis and the idea that for God one day was a thousand days, or something to that nature.. and you realise that for at least a thousand days the plants had no sun to grow.. well, that's a pretty strong theory my friend. but you can't mix christianity and evolution, they are seperate religions..

You are describing Old-Earth Creationism, which I do not adhere to. Religion and science are separate, and I take the creation account in Genesis as allegorical, as do a strong majority of modern theologians, along with some older ones I could name. Also, evolution is not a religion. Evolution has empirical evidence behind it, and it has even been observed in the lab on multiple occasions. So no, there is not a faith aspect to evolution.


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16 Sep 2008, 1:07 am

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Evolution isn't a religion.


going into religion you need faith, not proof.. going into evolution theory you need.. faith, not proof..


No.

And, besides, proof exists in science only as much as it does in statistical tests. i.e., not at all


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16 Sep 2008, 7:50 am

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Evolution isn't a religion.


going into religion you need faith, not proof.. going into evolution theory you need.. faith, not proof..


This is BS. Drawing conclusions from evidence is not that same as unbacked faith, please do not get on the "TEH SCIENTIFIC COMMUNITY IS A RELIGION THAT SUPPRESSES OTHER OPINIONS" bandwagon. It is oh so tired, and really has no grounds outside of a few Ben Stein quotes.

So no, it is not.


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16 Sep 2008, 10:35 am

ShawnWilliam wrote:
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Evolution isn't a religion.


going into religion you need faith, not proof.. going into evolution theory you need.. faith, not proof..

For one it's not much of a theory anymore, it's been observed and basically proven, this intelligent design BS barely qualifies as a hypothesis. For one the organisms on Earth do not appear very intelligently designed. Extending on that we have stupid creationists that claim the Banana is evidence of intelligent design because it fits in your hand and has an easy-to-open tab. Oh give me a break, you don't even need science to refute that, you can just say: "Well the Apple doesn't fit in your hand that well, and when you bite into it you get all this crap stuck in your teeth."



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16 Sep 2008, 11:19 am

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Evolution isn't a religion.


going into religion you need faith, not proof.. going into evolution theory you need.. faith, not proof..

For one it's not much of a theory anymore, it's been observed and basically proven, this intelligent design BS barely qualifies as a hypothesis. For one the organisms on Earth do not appear very intelligently designed. Extending on that we have stupid creationists that claim the Banana is evidence of intelligent design because it fits in your hand and has an easy-to-open tab. Oh give me a break, you don't even need science to refute that, you can just say: "Well the Apple doesn't fit in your hand that well, and when you bite into it you get all this crap stuck in your teeth."


Besides, both of these crops were cultivated.

i.e., engineered for our convenience, by us

It's the most ridiculous argument I've ever heard.

Incidentally, I usually skin bananas by running my finger down one of the ridges and then removing the skin in one whole piece, making sure to break off that little nub thing at the bottom. Very efficient.


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16 Sep 2008, 2:00 pm

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chever wrote:
Evolution isn't a religion.


going into religion you need faith, not proof.. going into evolution theory you need.. faith, not proof..

For one it's not much of a theory anymore, it's been observed and basically proven, this intelligent design BS barely qualifies as a hypothesis. For one the organisms on Earth do not appear very intelligently designed. Extending on that we have stupid creationists that claim the Banana is evidence of intelligent design because it fits in your hand and has an easy-to-open tab. Oh give me a break, you don't even need science to refute that, you can just say: "Well the Apple doesn't fit in your hand that well, and when you bite into it you get all this crap stuck in your teeth."


Oh? proven? wrong. Kent Hovind is a seasoned debater and he goes head to head with evolutionists all the time.. I do not have an outrageous amount of respect for Kent Hovind, BUT his debates are hardly ever refuted.. if there truly was proof then it would find its way into at least ONE of these debates, which it has not.
and your banana and apple alusions have nothing to do with me, i never said that.



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16 Sep 2008, 2:03 pm

Phagocyte wrote:
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chever wrote:
Evolution isn't a religion.


going into religion you need faith, not proof.. going into evolution theory you need.. faith, not proof..


This is BS. Drawing conclusions from evidence is not that same as unbacked faith, please do not get on the "TEH SCIENTIFIC COMMUNITY IS A RELIGION THAT SUPPRESSES OTHER OPINIONS" bandwagon. It is oh so tired, and really has no grounds outside of a few Ben Stein quotes.

So no, it is not.


I didn't say it supresses other opinions.. and the scientific community as a whole is most certainly not religious.. just the ones who say that evolution is fact.



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16 Sep 2008, 2:15 pm

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Wow, you completely misunderstand Christianity. Something need not be in the Bible to be true. Calculus is not in the Bible, but I believe in calculus. Science and religion are separate spheres of knowledge, no preacher needs to tell me to believe the conclusions of scientists.


indeed, a preacher is no scientist.. I'll leave you to your beliefs, I won't refute them. I have no proof that evolution and christianity don't share some connection of course. There is also the issue of very poor translation.

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You are describing Old-Earth Creationism, which I do not adhere to. Religion and science are separate, and I take the creation account in Genesis as allegorical, as do a strong majority of modern theologians, along with some older ones I could name. Also, evolution is not a religion. Evolution has empirical evidence behind it, and it has even been observed in the lab on multiple occasions. So no, there is not a faith aspect to evolution.


but the bible says that people will be decieved in the last days. There shouldn't be confusion.. mixing evolution and christianity is very misleading, and confusing.. there is not supposed to be confusion.



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16 Sep 2008, 3:52 pm

ShawnWilliam wrote:
z0rp wrote:
ShawnWilliam wrote:
chever wrote:
Evolution isn't a religion.


going into religion you need faith, not proof.. going into evolution theory you need.. faith, not proof..

For one it's not much of a theory anymore, it's been observed and basically proven, this intelligent design BS barely qualifies as a hypothesis. For one the organisms on Earth do not appear very intelligently designed. Extending on that we have stupid creationists that claim the Banana is evidence of intelligent design because it fits in your hand and has an easy-to-open tab. Oh give me a break, you don't even need science to refute that, you can just say: "Well the Apple doesn't fit in your hand that well, and when you bite into it you get all this crap stuck in your teeth."


Oh? proven? wrong. Kent Hovind is a seasoned debater and he goes head to head with evolutionists all the time.. I do not have an outrageous amount of respect for Kent Hovind, BUT his debates are hardly ever refuted.. if there truly was proof then it would find its way into at least ONE of these debates, which it has not.
and your banana and apple alusions have nothing to do with me, i never said that.

His debates are hardly ever refuted because they're to idiotic to be worth refuting. If you really are a creationist I consider you a very sad individual honestly and I also didn't say you specifically used the banana argument but many do and it's hilarious.



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16 Sep 2008, 4:20 pm

z0rp wrote:
ShawnWilliam wrote:
z0rp wrote:
ShawnWilliam wrote:
chever wrote:
Evolution isn't a religion.


going into religion you need faith, not proof.. going into evolution theory you need.. faith, not proof..

For one it's not much of a theory anymore, it's been observed and basically proven, this intelligent design BS barely qualifies as a hypothesis. For one the organisms on Earth do not appear very intelligently designed. Extending on that we have stupid creationists that claim the Banana is evidence of intelligent design because it fits in your hand and has an easy-to-open tab. Oh give me a break, you don't even need science to refute that, you can just say: "Well the Apple doesn't fit in your hand that well, and when you bite into it you get all this crap stuck in your teeth."


Oh? proven? wrong. Kent Hovind is a seasoned debater and he goes head to head with evolutionists all the time.. I do not have an outrageous amount of respect for Kent Hovind, BUT his debates are hardly ever refuted.. if there truly was proof then it would find its way into at least ONE of these debates, which it has not.
and your banana and apple alusions have nothing to do with me, i never said that.

His debates are hardly ever refuted because they're to idiotic to be worth refuting. If you really are a creationist I consider you a very sad individual honestly and I also didn't say you specifically used the banana argument but many do and it's hilarious.


well the banana argument is ridiculous... and im actually not a creationist, but I favor many of it's findings.. and thank you for your insults, but I think your judgementality is pretty sad.