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21 Sep 2008, 11:50 pm

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Even homosexual relations are becoming more accepted by the PCUSA (although there's still contention, it's far less outright opposition than other churches)


Oooooo how terrible :roll:


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22 Sep 2008, 12:09 am

@ToadofSteel: Yes, I've been getting that impression as well. My new church that I'm attending at college is very liberal, and I hear there was recently a dispute between them and a nearby PCA congregation (PCA is the fundie wing of American Presbyterianism) while attempting to cooperate in some charity work because the PCA church didn't approve of this PCUSA congregation accepting gays. And PCUSA recently allowed for homosexuals to be ordained as ministers. The official PCUSA line calls for homosexuals to be welcomed with open arms into any congregation, and notes that God's love extends to everyone. Still no same-sex marriage though.


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22 Sep 2008, 12:27 am

I first thought PCUSA meant something else than Presbyterian Church :P


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22 Sep 2008, 1:25 am

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I, a practicing christian, am still disappointed to this day in people that can't shake the thought that Christianity isn't about stopping the homosexuals or such sex related laws...


I hear that. Usually when people hear the word Christian, all they think of are the televangelists and the Westboro fag-haters. And that's all they want to believe our faith is about. :( :?



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22 Sep 2008, 1:31 am

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I, a practicing christian, am still disappointed to this day in people that can't shake the thought that Christianity isn't about stopping the homosexuals or such sex related laws...


I hear that. Usually when people hear the word Christian, all they think of are the televangelists and the Westboro fag-haters. And that's all they want to believe our faith is about. :( :?

One little detail can spoil everything for some people.


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22 Sep 2008, 2:01 am

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@ToadofSteel: Yes, I've been getting that impression as well. My new church that I'm attending at college is very liberal, and I hear there was recently a dispute between them and a nearby PCA congregation (PCA is the fundie wing of American Presbyterianism) while attempting to cooperate in some charity work because the PCA church didn't approve of this PCUSA congregation accepting gays. And PCUSA recently allowed for homosexuals to be ordained as ministers. The official PCUSA line calls for homosexuals to be welcomed with open arms into any congregation, and notes that God's love extends to everyone. Still no same-sex marriage though.


I know that the PCA doesn't approve of homosexuality, but to the point that they would not take an opportunity to expand God's work to maintain their dogmatic line? That makes me sad...

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I hear that. Usually when people hear the word Christian, all they think of are the televangelists and the Westboro fag-haters. And that's all they want to believe our faith is about. :( :?

I have pity for hate groups like the WBC (I can't even bring myself to call them a "church"), and I pity their incredibly narrow viewpoints that end up turning them into said hate group.

Sometimes I wish Jesus would just return to Earth already and set straight some of these churches that spend too much time persecuting homosexuality instead of living the life Jesus prescribed.



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22 Sep 2008, 2:06 am

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It's quite simple.

Take a survey of the strength of people's sexual appetites.

Observe correlation with dipshittery.


Like Kinsey? He had some sexual problems of his own.



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22 Sep 2008, 2:39 am

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The destruction of Sodom and Gomorrah is a big hint.

Sex is a gift from God btw, but any gift can be misused.


Sodom and Gomorrah was more about rape and about being hostile to guests than about sex itself. (Note that God had no problems with the fact that instead of the angels, the daughter was offered)


Rape of men. Rape of women is apparently ok (the daughters mentioned above). Incest is also ok according to this story.


No. :shameonyou:


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so Lot, the hero, didn't offer his daughters to the mob instead of his male guests, with god's approval?
Said daughters didn't later have sex with their father, and get pregnant by him, with god's approval?

Which version of the bible are you using?



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22 Sep 2008, 3:23 am

Because sex is fun and everything fun is a sin to those overly-repressed Muppets.


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22 Sep 2008, 5:34 am

Sex can lead one away from God, and Lust is a deadly sin. Need I remind you all of the AIDS epidemic in 1980s San Francisco?

Sex is a sin because sex can kill when misused.



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22 Sep 2008, 7:12 am

Sometimes I wish Jesus would just return to Earth already and set straight some of these churches that spend too much time persecuting homosexuality instead of living the life Jesus prescribed.[/quote]

I doubt Jesus would survive more than ten minutes in today's religious atmosphere.

As Guantanamo illustrates, water can kill if misused .



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22 Sep 2008, 8:43 am

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Recklessness is a sin because recklessness can kill when misused.


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22 Sep 2008, 8:45 am

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I doubt Jesus would survive more than ten minutes in today's religious atmosphere.


Jesus was really one against His own religion even back then... you think that the laws found in Leviticus are overly enforced now? Back then they were enforced WAY more...

Disclaimer: My guess is as good as anyone else's about what Jesus would do if He were to return today, but here goes...

Just as Jesus went on a rant against the religious leaders of his time, he would also go against today's religious leaders and personalities, especially certain hard-liners like Fred Phelps. Just as Jesus taught back in the day that you shouldn't be like the hypocrites that profess their faith on the street corners,

He would rip on the modern-day equivalent of that guy on the street corner: the televangelist.

He would be politically neutral (as He distanced himself from politics in Roman times). He would probably applaud the separation of church and state practiced in the US and elsewhere where such a scheme is practiced.



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22 Sep 2008, 10:03 am

I love to masturbate and have sex. I can't help it, It feels good. I imagine that most Christians masturbate, even if they don't admit it. I used to even when I had 'faith'.

It's a shame that a lot of good things are considered as being 'sins' to Christians. One of my reasons for not wanting to be Christian anymore is because I felt that a lot of 'rules' in the bible were irrational. I wish that the bible would at least give reasons as to why certain things were sins (being gay, having sex, getting drunk, etc.)



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22 Sep 2008, 10:30 am

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I love to masturbate and have sex. I can't help it, It feels good. I imagine that most Christians masturbate, even if they don't admit it. I used to even when I had 'faith'.

It's a shame that a lot of good things are considered as being 'sins' to Christians. One of my reasons for not wanting to be Christian anymore is because I felt that a lot of 'rules' in the bible were irrational. I wish that the bible would at least give reasons as to why certain things were sins (being gay, having sex, getting drunk, etc.)


If it makes you feel better, I like to masturbate as well. I like sex as much as the next guy. I look at porn like anyone else. But I am aware that these are impure behaviours. I know that these behaviours lack dignity. But like you Patrick6 I can't help myself. :(

I'm no saint. I'm just a man. :(



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22 Sep 2008, 11:05 am

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Why is sex considered as being a sin when many Christians have children?

What is it that makes sex and lust so sinful to Christians?

I used to a Christian and was always scared to have sex because I thought I was gonna be committing some huge sin if I was to 'do it'. I've had sex many times though since being converted to an Agnostic. I could never understand the whole concept of sex being a sin though. I personally feel that it shouldn't be considered as a sin because that would mean that everyone in the world who's ever had children is a sinner, just because they decided to have kids.


Sex is NOT a sin. It's a gift from God.

I may have mislead you in previous posts, and for that I apologize. It's lust that is a deadly sin.

Eating is not a sin ... but gluttony is.
Sleeping and sitting around, not a sin ... but sloth is.
Feeling good about yourself and your achievements, not a sin ... but pride sure is.
Aggressiveness isn't a sin ... but wrath is.


You get the idea, yeah?