Do you want to participate in a religious experiment?

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I only just read the first post, and of course I have to chime in.

To me, this whole arguement about whether or not god(s) exist is just about the silliest thing we could argue about. Of course god(s) exist, even if as nothing more than a manifestation of the sub-conscious, which is a very powerful force in itself, of deific proportions. They have always existed, well, at least as long as we have. Even if they are nothing more than manifestations of the sub-conscious, they are still profoundly powerful forces affecting the lives and influencing the behavior of billions of people.

Now as to the actual nature of god(s), the worthwhile argument that we should be having, I can answer that with absolute certainty.

"I don't know."

Now, quick, let me get the PPR outta hell, I mean the hell outta PPR!

Of course yetis exist, even if as nothing more than a manifestation of the sub-conscious

Of course unicorns exist, even if as nothing more than a manifestation of the sub-conscious

Of course klingons exist, even if as nothing more than a manifestation of the sub-conscious

Of course jawas exist, even if as nothing more than a manifestation of the sub-conscious

Of course cold fusion exists, even if as nothing more than a manifestation of the sub-conscious


hmm....sorry that statement doesn't hold up.

Yes! Exactly! You got it!

Psimulus, I agree but Fnord did challenge us in the bashing religion thread to prove our faith.
If this is so silly, then what harm can it do?
Fnord, are you still in or did Psimulus convince you already?
I'm pretty sure if we carry this out, you will see the sign you need.

sorry, i just fail to really fall into that belief set that there's a universal subconscious. it's a little more easy to believe that the functions that worked and allowed us to thrive socially up to this point are more siphoned into humanity rather than to give more credit than where it's due.

Of course!


The results are not in yet...

Are you implying that I think the experiment is silly? I do not think it to be a silly experiment. MrMark used that term above though.

I don't think it's a silly experiment, I just think the existence of god(s) is a silly argument, but then , I think it's silly for anybody to try to convince anybody of anything.

Silly aspies!

well it's a case of asch conformity vs empirical evidence.

Brother Fnord.. just for my reference..

From wence doth this idea of yours arise.. of a personal god.. ?

I have lovingly pondered over comparative religions for many moons.. and yet I have never come across this strange idea of a personal god.. among these religious writings.

Can you tell me.. where does this idea of a personal god.. (who might even phone you up for a chat).. originate from.. ?

I'm mystified...............:-0

Teach me........ please.

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"Furthermore, just as we in the West have also become conscious that God is not a quasi-personal force or telos informing or propelling the cosmos toward a particular end - a remnant of the anthropomorphic language and outworn creed of our forebears - it is also becoming apparent that "God" is a symbol - shorthand, abbreviation - for one particular structural possibility of the cosmos among others, and a possibility that includes us as integral parts of this structure."

http://www.euronet.nl/~advaya/symbolgod.htm

??? Wherethehell did you get that idea? How did you make the leap from the concept of a "personal encounter with God" to a "personal god"? And why are you lying about my ideas?

Are your false conclusions and personal slander of me typical of Christians everywhere, or are your actions of your own intitiative?

Or did your god put you up to this?

Christianism has a personal god, but not in the sense of "personalized", like "personal escort service", but in the sense of "not impersonal", i.e., their god is not a mindless force but an intelligent entity, a person you can interact with.

I take it that was said.. tongue in cheek..

However.. it wasn't.. as you say.. an idea..

And it wasn't a lie......... nor was it a conclusion.

It was just an innocent question.... nothing more.

If you wish to express it as a "personal encounter with God"

Fair enough......

However.. I still would like to ask you..

Where does this idea of having a personal encounter with god.. come from.. ?

A God who knows even your phone number.


I see the word "God" as being a symbol myself.

But what do you mean.... by... "God".. ?

I'm curious..

I need to ask.. because people define the word very differently..
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"The idea that anything could be real or true which does not come from outside has hardly begun to dawn on contemporary man.”

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BTW.. I'm not a Christian................. it's all an act..

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“Since the gods are without doubt personifications of psychic forces, to assert their metaphysical existence is as much an intellectual presumption as the opinion that they could ever be invented. Not that "psychic forces" have anything to do with the conscious mind, fond as we are of playing with the idea that consciousness and psyche are identical. This is only another piece of intellectual presumption. "Psychic forces" have far more to do with the realm of the unconscious.

Our mania for rational explanations obviously has its roots in our fear of metaphysics, for the two were always hostile brothers. Hence anything unexpected that approaches us from that dark realm is regarded either as coming from outside and therefore as real, or else as an hallucination and therefore not true.

The idea that anything could be real or true which does not come from outside has hardly begun to dawn on contemporary man.”

Carl Jung - Civilization in Transition

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Plants contain the spirit which you want to subdue. Is it knowledge that you question? Like the snake in the garden of eden and like Prometheus, the fear of knowledge keeps you enslaved in your contentment of your reality, which has no basis in the potential of human will and perfection.

I would have thought it is religion that is fearful of knowledge and keeps you enslaved.

That too.