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saintetienne
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13 Jan 2009, 5:56 am

ruveyn wrote:

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Is this just an intellectual game or does it benefit mankind somehow? Science is supposed to benefit mankind, right?

This is just a circle-jerk.

Go cure cancer.

curing cancer isn't a good thing, far from it.

How did you arrive at that conclusion?

ruveyn

too many humans on the planet, death is a natural and good thing

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13 Jan 2009, 12:08 pm

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too many humans on the planet, death is a natural and good thing

I assume you don't want to be one of the victims in achieving this glorious end. Right?

This planet can support ten times as many.

If you want to see disease reduce the population, cancer is not that disease. It generally afflicts older people past the age of reproduction. What you want are plagues that carry off the children and the young women before they go upstream to spawn. Pray for a bird flu epidemic or some such.

In any case birth rates in the industrialized world are approaching zero natural increase in the population. The real problem is in the (so-called) Third World where they do not practice birth control.

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13 Jan 2009, 5:23 pm

saintetienne wrote:

curing cancer isn't a good thing, far from it.

*Few years from now*
saintetienne: I've got cancer
healthyperson: So?
saintetienne: I'm on a quimo program
healthyperson: Why?
saintetienne: To fight my cancer
healthyperson: What's the point?
saintetienne: I don't want to die of cancer, and is agonizing
healthyperson: Waste of time, you should naturally die
saintetienne: You f**k!
healthyperson: Too many humans on the planet, you said that yourself, remember?
saintetienne: f**k you!

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13 Jan 2009, 5:33 pm

ruveyn wrote:

This planet can support ten times as many.

and what a beautiful world it will be...

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13 Jan 2009, 5:36 pm

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saintetienne wrote:

curing cancer isn't a good thing, far from it.

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13 Jan 2009, 5:40 pm

Well, at 96, it shouldn't really matter.

Anyway, you're right in one thing, too much population, but I would think an instant painless extermination to sound a little bit better

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17 Jan 2009, 4:58 am

To eliminate the possiblity of cancer one would have to alter human reproduction fundamentally. But if we are talking about merely treating and reducing the probability of cancer, you might be happy to know that the progress is remarkable.

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17 Jan 2009, 8:31 am

i think cancer is the result of chronic irritation.
i think that if there is an irritant that causes damage to cells, then those cells have to replicate in order to repair the area of their inhabitance.

normally, cells have a variable lifespan that is an average of 7 years.

when these cells are doomed by age, they replicate and create new ones in their place.
these replicas are not quite as sharp as the originals.

it is like photocopying a picture because the original picture is crumbling.

the photocopy is one generation of distortion imposed upon the replicated original.

if you photocopy a sharp picture, then photocopy that photocopy, then photocopy that photocopy etc... you will find you have an illegible blotch eventually.

the same is with replication of damaged cells through chronic irritation.

the original information loses an element with each replication.
eventually, the information generates wildly distorted subgenerations and they have no code left that tells them where to stop replicating. they replicate in an unapprehended way and that is cancer.

cancer is inevitable in all beings that age beyond their natural life expectancy.
that is because we can only produce so many cellular replications that are themselves generated from not original sources, but degenerative ones as the cycle repeats.
all cells inherit their immediate parent cells characteristics to an incomplete degree.
the relay between dying and birthing cells is decremental and aging is the result.

i have someone at my door knocking. they will remove my attention from this forum for now

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18 Jan 2009, 6:14 pm

b9 wrote:

i think cancer is the result of chronic irritation.
i think that if there is an irritant that causes damage to cells, then those cells have to replicate in order to repair the area of their inhabitance.
normally, cells have a variable lifespan that is an average of 7 years.
when these cells are doomed by age, they replicate and create new ones in their place.
these replicas are not quite as sharp as the originals.
it is like photocopying a picture because the original picture is crumbling.
the photocopy is one generation of distortion imposed upon the replicated original.
if you photocopy a sharp picture, then photocopy that photocopy, then photocopy that photocopy etc... you will find you have an illegible blotch eventually.
the same is with replication of damaged cells through chronic irritation.
the original information loses an element with each replication.
eventually, the information generates wildly distorted subgenerations and they have no code left that tells them where to stop replicating. they replicate in an unapprehended way and that is cancer.
cancer is inevitable in all beings that age beyond their natural life expectancy.
that is because we can only produce so many cellular replications that are themselves generated from not original sources, but degenerative ones as the cycle repeats.
all cells inherit their immediate parent cells characteristics to an incomplete degree.
the relay between dying and birthing cells is decremental and aging is the result.
i have someone at my door knocking. they will remove my attention from this forum for now

Thats a really *neat* idea, but WHAT is your Evidence for this???

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18 Jan 2009, 7:08 pm

it is just an idea i have and it is not related to anything i have read.

the fact that i can not point to a smarter person who also thought of it invalidates it instantly.

maybe i shopuld only draw attention to quotes i find on the internet and leave my own imagination out of my posts.

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18 Jan 2009, 7:15 pm

makes sense to me. i think that people live too long. in the old days we'd be lucky to survive past 45 so these kinds of illnesses weren't a big priority. who was at the door?

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20 Jan 2009, 11:38 pm

Time is a false construct of the matrix. It doesn't exist. We are in a prison/neverending time-loop of sorts. "Karma", "Reincarnation", "Enlightenment"-- ALL LIES created by evil beings who only wish to control us and prevent us (under the guise of spirit guides and gods) from remembering and moving on.

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21 Jan 2009, 12:09 am

Birdgirl wrote:

You really need to look into four dimensional physics and the relationships of time and space.

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21 Jan 2009, 6:28 pm

Sand wrote:

Birdgirl wrote:

You really need to look into four dimensional physics and the relationships of time and space.

Maybe so. I have almost no recollection of making this post last night, in fact.

(it all makes much more sense in my head, honestly.. this is why I usually stay out of these threads. I'm not really trying to convince anyone. I don't deny that I have very little understanding of physics)

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21 Jan 2009, 7:44 pm

Birdgirl wrote:

Remembering what?

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22 Jan 2009, 8:02 pm

Here are a few of my rhymes to express the ultimate weirdness of time and space, to me anyway.

DEATH

If space exists
What is it?
Tell me!

If time persists
Where is it?
Bring me!

Both would stretch
And each collapse

I will take
Another path

~mlh

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