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At risk of invoking Godwin's Law, I'd point out that the current government's policy of spying on American citizens without the benefit of ANY kind of oversight (let alone a search warrant) is exactly what Hitler was doing prior to and during WWII. G.W.Bush re-approved the secret surveillance every 45 days since 2001, and the CIA has been running wild since then. Bush thinks that Orwell's "1984" was a blueprint for political success, not a warning about fascism. Bush thinks whoever revealed the existance of the secret surveillance is a traitor. Who are they spying on? How about the political science major at Dartmouth College who was "interviewed" by the FBI because he asked to borrow Chairman Mao's "Red Book" from the university as part of his course on fascism and totalitarianism. Such sweet irony. He was going to report on Mao's treatment of the Chinese, but now he can report on Bush's treatment of Americans instead.

The point that was being addressed was the fact that the Bush government knew that the levees in New Orleans couldn't handle another hurricane, but rather than improving them Washington significant;y reduced the federal funding for levee maintenance in order to finance the war. The fact that he forced the Luisiana reserves to go to war (to avoid the bad politics of a draft) was merely adding insult to injury.

Heh. Al Gore invented the internet and it's *full* of America Bashing.

It's really not just about Iraq. It's about the RIAA, MPAA, DMCA, extraterritorial law enforcement accomplished through kidnapping of foreign citizens, illegal and immoral treatment of prisoners in Guantanamo and elsewhere, a totally dysfunctional patent system, a government that thinks it's good foreign polity to threaten allies, the one and only government that refused to agree to an international court system (because Bush would be found guilty of War Crimes), the one G8 country that refuses to sign on to Kyoto, and a fanatical evangelical Christian cabal that seems intent on starting another round of crusades. Bush and his cronies are the proverbial bull in a china shop. They've managed to offend just about every other country and/or religion in the world. The right-wind media is 100% behind Bush. Just yesterday, Tucker Carleson (CNN) called Canada the "ret*d cousin that everyone thinks is cute, but nobody takes seriously". What goes around comes around....

I don't hate American people. I just don't like the government and the 160,000,000 people who allowed Bush to take office. BTW, ilikedragons, I think people who are too young to vote are *mostly* innocent. Not all of them are politically inactive, though.

really? i thought i was someone at CERN..

Jetson, you said a ton.

And its only the tip of the iceberg.

It is relentless how this administration shows no sense of what is right.

In 2004 i would see people with their catchy little bumper stickers that "W in 2004". I looked at them with contempt. Thinking (sometimes stating) you support him just because you profess to be a republican. He is not for you, he is not for anybody but himself and, as you put it, his cronies. He is a monster, and he must be stopped. After the election, i just shook me head, back and forth, like it was a tic. I was in a trance and i couldn't believe it. How could he have been elected twice, how could he have even been close. Then i realized, he used fear to control. Just like how you mentioned how he threatens his allys to gain his agenda.

These people with the stickers, (when my thought were audible) would say, "but abortion" and they meant it, like it mattered who got the job, abortion is here forever, it will not change. Even after those confrontations, id leave just shaking my head, like i had a tic or something.

As long as Americans can waltz into wal-mart and have a healthy selection of all things wanted, stocked on the shelf. They will gladly, keep their heads buried in the sand. Lazy people selling out their kids.

Al Gore "inventing" the internet is a long-running joke



The internet (that is to say the World Wide Web) was of course invented by Tim Berners-Lee, a Brit.
Other British non-American inventions include the light bulb (Swan, not Edison) and the computer.

You Americans: you'd all be speaking Spanish if it weren't for us!

(I'm not really a Yank-basher.)

If some future presidential administration ever agrees to this, will they be able to bring GW up on war crime charges???

*hopes for that day*

I wish someone would Watergate that entire administration already...

Do you know who i think is sharp;

Colin Powell. He slid out the back door in the nick of time.

he is probably ruing the day he was suckered into helping G Dub get elected in the first place.

Uumm....gee...wouldn't that be because logically, there are about 5 times as many people in the US and its a much larger nation by area?

so basically, you just said, your nation produces the same, yet because we just have more people, we are more at fault. WRONG, unlike the US, UK has been polluting for much longer, and contrary to popular belief the US is far from being the worlds biggest polluter.

The hippocracy is really amazing here. "the Sun never sets on the British Empire" remember that? Those days were less than a century ago. Just because the Brits tried to rule the world and failed does not mean the U.S. is doing that too. Otherwise, Germany, Japan, France, Italy, Panama, Cuba, Phillipines, Vietnam, Korea, and perhaps even England would have become US states by now, or just powerless Protectorates, yet, if this were true, why do they have governments of the own, and the power to disagree with the US? Honestly RobertN, do you know ANYTHING about the US or world history?

I could agree that the US may not be as mature as say, Britain (which has been around for atleast 1500 years as a nation), but we are still pretty new as a nation, and only been a Superpower since the end of WWII, maturity is called maturity because it takes time to develope and learn, something which civilizations have a habit of taking hundreds of years or more to do, and even that dont always get over all problems, other wise, the US would be the only nation with crime, starvation and poverty, its NOT.

However, i strongly disagree that we did not get back up and dust ourselves off. We did. People did go back to work, they had a delay and then went on as best they could. Even the site, will see a new Tower structure soon. And though you claim Bush got the bump up for it, so? Would he have if he had handled this badly, like saying "oh, well" as if nothing happened? No, i think more people would be more angry if he had done that. Beside, Mayor Guliani captured the spotlight from even Bush for several weeks over that incident.

And yes, i agree with you the government wastes money on needless pointless crap, but if you think that is new, think again. Its been going on since about the country's founding. and its not just the Republicans that do it. ITS all POLITICIANS. you know why?? cause these politicians, spend their lives being politicians. an elected office should not be a lifelong thing, thats the old way of thinking. We should really totally reconfigure our entire election system to rid ourselves of all parties, and all professionals. But that day maybe far away.

And the US already tried to mind their own business, in fact, so did China and Japan, you know what that got everyone??? MORE TROUBLE..... China was invaded, exploited, and dealt drugs by nations like Britain, Turkey and France, fought numerous wars to save their people from such things, in one DRUG war alone with the Drug Czar known as Britain, they lost 20 million people. China even lost track of things they had developed first like gunpowder and printing press, and were surprised by the western techs. Japan, was sadly behind times, ready to be exploited by the European powers tooo, the US stepped in to try to stop it and get them upto date, though this lead to a small civil war with the old Samuri classes, it was neccessary to save it from China's fate. The US tried this in the late 1800s and early 1900s, and also about when the country was founded. Guess what, it led to wars.. because the US totally dropped out of world affairs, they had no say in what went on, and thus the US' own fate was wrapped up in anything around the world, we get resources to run our country from many places, and trade in the world to make money to live on, after the first world war was over, the US, became isolationists again and did not even bother to get their own ideas in Germany's peace treaty. This of course led to treatment that was too harsh, so that when the depression happened Germany was near chaos. Easy for a madman to enter promise progress....then bring in another war for revenge, though deserving of Britain and France (only cause they got too cruel, since Germany lost nearly as much as either of them had in the war, they should have not been so mean to instill a thirst for revenge from near destruction, which a war alone can do (its like they were asking to be attacked again, as Wilson once said 'if ya beat a dog, dont be surprised if it bites', the US should have been a stronger voice of reason, then no WWII would have even happened), should not have even been needed. And because the US was out, the US did not deter obvious warning signs of trouble, they did not enforce the peace that was signed to defend against trouble, this of course resulted in another world war that cost the lives of tens of millions of people. No Isolationism dont work either, Rem.

Have a nice day, Rem and everyone[/b]

Err...maybe, but uummm...didn't former President Clinton try that in say uummm....Somalia, who apparently would rather steal from their own and leave millions to starve to death to support theri very own megalomaniac.

After reading a couple of these "national pride", whose fault is it type threads
I am tempted to turn off my computer and go and get drunk...

...but,

I've a better idea.
Why don't we form the worlds first virtual country
It won't need any foreign policy because it'll be global
It won't need any army because there will be no borders

It could be the Altered States of Aspergia or something

Our president or king/queen or whatever could be somebodies cat
I'd like a cat to be in charge

To hell with politics and nationalism
"Queen Kitty of Aspergia"

I think I will get drunk after all

I had a conversation with one of my professors just before the semester got out.

His firm stance was that it was the duty of the united states to modernize the middle east and the rest of the world, through force if necessary.

He was matter of fact about also. He said the rest of the world wants democracy and capitalism, they just don't know it yet.

My stance was that we shouldn't be sticking our noses in others countries buisness.

He response was something along the lines of - "And let the world go to hell under the influence of liberalism and terrorism"

The problem is that these people in the white house think that they're the last bastian of sanity in the world, trying to save it from itself. If that were the case, all of europe would collapsed on it's own a long time ago.

The real problem is that 90% of the crap happening in this world has it's roots in something we did in the past, and were stuck today in a catch 22 - cleaning up our own mess, but GWB keeps spilling milk all over the place.

MODERATOR NOTE - Becasue of Roberts action in this forum over the past few days, his account has been suspended for two weeks to allow for him to cool off. Please wait until his account is reactivated to direct any comments at him.

i dont support bush
bush should be impeached

Ex-Presidents tend to have gentlemans agreements aginst that kind of stuff. The reason for not having an internatonal court is that we don't want to subject our own citizens to anti American Bias and not subject them to the rampant corruption of the UN in what is supposed to be a jutice system. It is my firm belief that war crimes trials from Nuremburg to Saddam Hussein are total BS anyway. Another reason a international court would be pointless is that Bush could have them kiled at will anyway. Oh, there's also those CIA "Rendition" units to keep UN officials in line as well. Face it, Bush has the world by the nuts!

I am a supporter of free speech, and I disagree with such actions by the mods. I would like to appeal on Robert's behalf.

Moderators are here to manage and organise posts, sticky them, etc - sort of like librarians. They are not police, and they should not be banning and suspending people like this, it is absurd.

I want to know.
Was RobertN the first?