Muslims find out today is friday, threaten violence.

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Almost as awesome as THIS!! !

This one's better. http://esr.ibiblio.org/index.php?p=135

Gentlemen! You can't fight in here, this is the WAR room! - Dr. Strangelove...

Wait, how did a real Muslim get in here? How can we perpetuate stereotypes if someone comes in here disproving them?

Everybody knows that Osama Bin Laden was an agent of the Mossad.
First, as 'everybody' knows, no Jewish people died in 9/11 (forewarned)
Osama has done everything to make Muslims look as bad as possible (who benefits?)
Israel has such a stranglehold on US Policy that the Israelis only have to point, and we shoot.
Osama has never been even close to being caught, so someone is protecting him (who would we never suspect?)
Al Quaeda didn't really start up until the Clintons started talking a two-state solution.


...and if you believe that, I have this bridge in Brooklyn...

every american who doesn't actively fight against the oppressive and racist system perpetuated by their government is just as guilty as the politicians who created and uphold it. and while i wouldnt actively wish for their death i would mourn it about as much as i mourn the american soldiers being killed in iraq. ignorance isnt an excuse for perpetuating evil

no, you cant demand americans to revolt, to prove to you, that theyre against what their gvt is doing.
you revolt first, and then demand.
(the fact that your posting on a forum, and not in jail or killed, means you havent revolted yet.)

every american who doesn't actively fight against the oppressive and racist system perpetuated by their government is just as guilty as the politicians who created and uphold it. and while i wouldnt actively wish for their death i would mourn it about as much as i mourn the american soldiers being killed in iraq. ignorance isnt an excuse for perpetuating evil[/quote]

FIghting folks who have the drop on one is suicidal. But if you are a Muslim, suicide is your greatest ambition. Do it for Allah and you get to bang those 72 dark eyed beauties all day long and never get tired.

You have conveniently ignored passive resistance which is the only reasonable alternative for people who are either disarmed or outgunned. But that wouldn't occur to you, would it?

So I say to you, screw you and the camel your road into town on.

ruveyn

no matter your argument, point of view, or opinion. you sprinkle it w racism and bigotry, and it falls dead and empty to the ground.
"next"

they dont have to prove s**t to me. if they revolted they should do so either out of self-preservation or out compassion for those that the US oppress. but its obvious that vast majority of americans care about neither

passive resistance has its time and place, but that is hardly when a corrupt and cleptocratic regime invades sovereign states and kidnaps foreign nationals to further its own fascist agenda. so f**k no it doesnt occur to me you cant fight fire with a damp cloth. america needs to fall and armed revolt is the only way to bring it about

so f**k you you old f****r and f**k the blood pressure meds that keep your reactionary ass alive

Revolution is overrated. Cromwell's revolution failed. After "King Oliver" die the Brits could hardly wait to get a real King back. The American Revolution was only half-way successful. It took a civil war to get rid of slavery. The French Revolution produced The Terror and Napoleon. The Russian Revolution produced Stalin and the gulags. So much for Revolution.

ruveyn

"Walk humbly and lower your voice, the ugliest voice is the donkey's voice." (31:19)

"Invite to the path of your Lord with wisdom and kind enlightenment, and debate with them in the best possible manner. Your Lord knows best who has strayed from His path, and He knows best who are the guided ones." (16:125)

"It was mercy from GOD that you became compassionate towards them. Had you been harsh and mean-hearted, they would have abandoned you. Therefore, you shall pardon them and ask forgiveness for them, and consult them. Once you make a decision, carry out your plan, and trust in GOD. GOD loves those who trust in Him." (3:159)

"who (the righteous) give to charity during the good times, as well as the bad times. They are suppressors of anger, and pardoners of the people. GOD loves the charitable." (3:134)

"Not equal is the good response and the bad response. You shall resort to the nicest possible response. Thus, the one who used to be your enemy, may become your best friend." (41:34)

"They steadfastly persevere in seeking their Lord, observe the Link (Salat), spend from our provisions to them secretly and publicly, and counter evil with good. These have deserved the best abode." (13:22)

"And the example of the bad word is that of a bad tree chopped at the soil level; it has no roots to keep it firm." (14:26)

"You shall not treat the people with arrogance, nor shall you roam the earth carefree. GOD does not like the arrogant showoffs." ( 31:18 )

"The servants of the Almighty are those who tread the earth gently, and when the ignorant speak to them, they only utter peace." (25:63)

"O you who believe, no people shall ridicule other people, for they may be better than they. Nor shall any women ridicule other women, for they may be better than they. Nor shall you mock one another, or call each other names. Evil indeed is the reversion to wickedness after attaining faith. Anyone who does not repent after this, these are the transgressors." (49:11)

"O people, We created you from the same male and female, and rendered you distinct peoples and tribes, that you may recognize one another. The best among you in the sight of GOD is the most righteous. GOD is Omniscient, Cognizant." (49:13)

Muslim threatens violence; Muslim threatens peace...

By your logic, every single Muslim that does nothing to speak against the atrocities the radical violent extremists are committing is responsible for the twisted misconceptions non-Muslims have of Islam.

Anyway, I reject your notion that an armed revolt would, or even could, result in a better American society or government. Indeed, it's a hundred times easier for a fascist regime to emerge from the ashes of government than from a strong checks-and-balances Republic like America's.

Martin Luther King said,
"He who passively accepts evil is as much involved in it as he who helps to perpetrate it. He who accepts evil without protesting against it is really cooperating with it."

Obviously I don't agree with war or the killing of people, and I fight to get the evil out of our government. So as far as your first part, I would agree with you, and so would Mr. King who I quoted above. The people in america who disagree with the evil in government, but sit silently are just as bad as the people they disagree with. I do my part to try to stop the violence, just like many americans, but where you and me probably disagree is by how that is done. I don't believe in violence, because then you are just as bad as the people you are fighting against. A army of people, that fight with there voice, there collective voice leads to bigger change then a army that kills. Just always remember that it is the collective voice that leads to positive change.

"The means we use must be as pure as the ends we seek"

The American people are outgunned by the government. Do you expect them to commit suicide? There will be no Revolution in modern times. Our only hope, and a slim one at that, is reform through the democratic process. But since the electorate is mostly brain dead or sleep walking that is a very slim hope indeed.

The only change will occur when our system collapses around us. Then we will pick up the pieces and end up with something much worse.

In the long run, reality will determine the fate of peoples. Since contradictions do not exist in reality, systems based on consuming what is not produced will ultimately collapse. One cannot make something out of nothing or with no effort. Only God can do that, and he left town over 2000 years ago.

ruveyn

Maybe you should re read my post, I never said anything about a american revolution, and I said I do NOT believe in violence.
Obviously you misinterpreted what I said, or you didnt read it and responded????? I dont think I could make it any more clear what I said?