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Shadowgirl
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03 Apr 2009, 5:08 pm

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I have one major problem with the god and sins theory, you see I am an atheist, but in general a I am a good person, I would never kill, I am completely against capital punishment, nuclear weapons (though they do make very interesting engineering topics and a nice possibility in nuclear pulse propulsion) but yet you say I will go to hell because I do not have faith in Jesus or god (I gave Jesus a capital letter because he was very wise and as far as I am aware, real, though I doubt he would like how some modern christians are), but however, there is a problem, if god is omniscient, then he knows all that is and all that was, so he knows that I am going to be an atheist, that I will not believe in him, and will die and go to burn in hell for eternity, now, that means I don't have free will, which makes god a dispicable being little better than the hypothetical 'devil' in terms of monstrosity, can you really believe in a being like that? and if so, how?



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03 Apr 2009, 5:13 pm

Shadowgirl, is that even of any use? i'm an atheist, i'm not going to suddenly becoming weak minded and go "Wow! A website about Jesus, Now I must believe in God!" f**k that, Jesus may have been real, but god has no evidence, and never will, neither will the arguement against him, so its a neutral and illogical position, now if you don't mind I was hoping somebody would talk rather than use URLs to debate and intellectual subject......


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03 Apr 2009, 5:23 pm

There is proof of God all over.

We may not be able to see him with our eyes but he shows up in ways that our hearts can see.
People have all different kinds of experiences with God.

Think about how you are here?
Who could have so delicately crafted the world?
If there is evil in the world then what is there to balance it out?

You can't look with your eyes but with your heart and spirit.


Also yes you do have free will to choose life or death not choosing isn't an option.
You pick but what becomes of you isn't my decision to make that is between God and You.
Everyone has sinned and when you do one sin you have sinned at the same level as everyone else despite what you did or did not do.


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03 Apr 2009, 6:08 pm

Sadly the world is one big fairy tale, evolution generated my, I am the product of thousands of cellular divisions, I am living proof of genetic evolution, not biggoted falsehood, I am genetic proof even, my aspergers comes from my father, from his father, and so on, merely because I understand science and see with rationality does not mean I cannot see properly, and what nonsense about the spirit "Ghost in the Machine" a categoric mistake, you look at the person then ask where is the soul, there is the problem, there isn't one. You, going by your christian beliefs do not have free will, after all, you must either accept that due to your belief in an omnipotent, omniscient god that you have no free will, or that your god is not omniscient, your choice, either way, I am happy, as when I look at the world I see no need for any supernatural creator, I see the beauty of the genetic structure, I see the glory of quasars, stars and black holes, I feel happiness everyday merely because I can think that I am a human being, a member of species evolved from miniscule bacteria, now able to split the atom, accelerate protons to the speed of light and even look deep into the cosmos. There is no proof of god, only proof of delusion, you were the spectacles of reason, you impose order onto chaos, just because everything made its way up from tiny parts doesn't mean its illogical, merely improbable, that is why when I look at my species I feel such pride, as when I look at myself, to think that I could have came out so many other millions of ways. And as a side note, the heart cannot look, it is a muscle, not some form of supernatural god organ. And one last question, do you believe that everything around requires a creator? If so, who created god?


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