Is Jesus merely a temptation to people who are lonely?

Page 4 of 8 [ 123 posts ]  Go to page Previous  1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8  Next

McTell
Veteran
Veteran

User avatar

Joined: 27 Jan 2009
Gender: Male
Posts: 2,453
Location: Edinburgh, Scotland

25 Apr 2009, 7:21 pm

MikeH106 wrote:
Sin is still vaguely-defined. It could be a tool of oppression against the less attractive.


There are plenty of moral systems that could be used like this, if they are twisted. I can't see how Christianity stands out as the one to be attacked.

But anyway, I'm curious as to the scenario you are envisioning which features ugliness becoming branded a sin. Would you explain it please?



MikeH106
Veteran
Veteran

User avatar

Joined: 19 May 2006
Age: 43
Gender: Male
Posts: 1,060

25 Apr 2009, 7:23 pm

Confrontational to Happy Bunny? Happy Bunny is being confrontational to us!


_________________
Sixteen essays so far.

Like a drop of blood in a tank of flesh-eating piranhas, a new idea never fails to arouse the wrath of herd prejudice.


sinsboldly
Veteran
Veteran

User avatar

Joined: 21 Nov 2006
Gender: Female
Posts: 13,488
Location: Bandon-by-the-Sea, Oregon

25 Apr 2009, 7:35 pm

MikeH106 wrote:
Confrontational to Happy Bunny? Happy Bunny is being confrontational to us!


Don't you go bothering our happy bunnies, MikeH106.
Do not give me any complaints to deal with.

Merle


_________________
Alis volat propriis
State Motto of Oregon


MikeH106
Veteran
Veteran

User avatar

Joined: 19 May 2006
Age: 43
Gender: Male
Posts: 1,060

25 Apr 2009, 8:16 pm

Not again...

Can't I just express my feelings on this forum? Why is it that other people get to call me an idiot, but the moment I do something righteous, you threaten me?

Happy Bunny is the character who says, "Make over? You need to be run over!" He's a Nazi and a sadist!


_________________
Sixteen essays so far.

Like a drop of blood in a tank of flesh-eating piranhas, a new idea never fails to arouse the wrath of herd prejudice.


sinsboldly
Veteran
Veteran

User avatar

Joined: 21 Nov 2006
Gender: Female
Posts: 13,488
Location: Bandon-by-the-Sea, Oregon

25 Apr 2009, 9:01 pm

MikeH106 wrote:
Not again...

Can't I just express my feelings on this forum? Why is it that other people get to call me an idiot, but the moment I do something righteous, you threaten me?

Happy Bunny is the character who says, "Make over? You need to be run over!"


then that is where the similarity ends. We have members that are interested in REAL Living bunnies. They have cartoon pictures as well as real pictures on their avatars of these living bunnies. This is what I am talking about. I know nothing about your cartoon character.

I do think you protest just a little too much, actually.

Merle


_________________
Alis volat propriis
State Motto of Oregon


MikeH106
Veteran
Veteran

User avatar

Joined: 19 May 2006
Age: 43
Gender: Male
Posts: 1,060

25 Apr 2009, 9:17 pm

Do you have any idea what Happy Bunny might do to another real, living bunny while it was next to a highway?

You say you think I protest a little too much. Too much for what purpose?

Listen, I'm not going to get into too many details here, but I have a strong suspicion that you might be... um, bullying me...

So if you're setting a double standard for me because I'm nice to the less attractive, I encourage you to consider that I vouch for an important minority of the human race -- the romantically unsuccessful -- and that by banning me from WrongPlanet, you could seriously injure your reputation.

I had my heart broken on a Dating Advice Forum. I don't need you to break it again.


_________________
Sixteen essays so far.

Like a drop of blood in a tank of flesh-eating piranhas, a new idea never fails to arouse the wrath of herd prejudice.


sinsboldly
Veteran
Veteran

User avatar

Joined: 21 Nov 2006
Gender: Female
Posts: 13,488
Location: Bandon-by-the-Sea, Oregon

25 Apr 2009, 9:27 pm

MikeH106 wrote:
Do you have any idea what Happy Bunny might do to another real, living bunny while it was next to a highway?

You say you think I protest a little too much. Too much for what purpose?


exactly, to what purpose are you protesting your righteousness?

MikeH106 wrote:
Listen, I'm not going to get into too many details here, but I have a strong suspicion that you might be... um, bullying me...


and again for what purpose?

I cared that you had a bunny in an international NO sign, and there are members here that love bunnies. Until I communicated with you I didn't know it was some cartoon character you had a protest against. Now I know.

Merle


_________________
Alis volat propriis
State Motto of Oregon


MikeH106
Veteran
Veteran

User avatar

Joined: 19 May 2006
Age: 43
Gender: Male
Posts: 1,060

25 Apr 2009, 9:30 pm

I forgive you.

Before I chose my avatar, I was furious over Happy Bunny, among other things. It's like the ultimate symbol of egoism and not caring about other people's feelings. Jim Benton, the creator, even said, "I don't think a sociopath would like it." And yet he unleashed the little rodent anyway. There could be a great deal of scary Nietzschean philosophy behind Happy Bunny.


_________________
Sixteen essays so far.

Like a drop of blood in a tank of flesh-eating piranhas, a new idea never fails to arouse the wrath of herd prejudice.


sinsboldly
Veteran
Veteran

User avatar

Joined: 21 Nov 2006
Gender: Female
Posts: 13,488
Location: Bandon-by-the-Sea, Oregon

25 Apr 2009, 9:33 pm

MikeH106 wrote:
I forgive you..


of course, being a Christian you are obliged to do so.

Merle


_________________
Alis volat propriis
State Motto of Oregon


MikeH106
Veteran
Veteran

User avatar

Joined: 19 May 2006
Age: 43
Gender: Male
Posts: 1,060

25 Apr 2009, 9:35 pm

Incidentally, I'm not a Christian, although I have had frequent discussions with them and have read the Gospels.


_________________
Sixteen essays so far.

Like a drop of blood in a tank of flesh-eating piranhas, a new idea never fails to arouse the wrath of herd prejudice.


Ancalagon
Veteran
Veteran

User avatar

Joined: 25 Dec 2007
Age: 47
Gender: Male
Posts: 2,302

25 Apr 2009, 10:35 pm

MikeH106 wrote:
Before I chose my avatar, I was furious over Happy Bunny, among other things. It's like the ultimate symbol of egoism and not caring about other people's feelings. Jim Benton, the creator, even said, "I don't think a sociopath would like it." And yet he unleashed the little rodent anyway. There could be a great deal of scary Nietzschean philosophy behind Happy Bunny.

After all this talk about Happy Bunny, I had to look it up. From a quick glance at it, it looks like it's sarcastic humor, not neccesarily mean-spirited. It's not unlike the Bunny Suicides, which is a bunch of cartoon bunnies commiting suicide in humorous ways, or Happy Tree Friends, which features a bunch of excessively cute cartoon creatures of various species (including a bunny) getting killed in a variety of shockingly gruesome ways. The humor works by superimposing extreme cuteness with shocking violence, and overdoes it so much that it's funny. Definitely not for everyone, though. Given your reaction to Happy Bunny, you probably wouldn't like the Bunny Suicides, and you *definitely* wouldn't like Happy Tree Friends.

Then there's Sluggy Freelance, a comic strip that features, among other things, bun-bun, a bunny rabbit with an attitude and a switchblade.

Funny how we started out discussing a theory of Christianity, and now we're talking about violent cartoons with bunnies in them...


_________________
"A dead thing can go with the stream, but only a living thing can go against it." --G. K. Chesterton


MikeH106
Veteran
Veteran

User avatar

Joined: 19 May 2006
Age: 43
Gender: Male
Posts: 1,060

25 Apr 2009, 10:56 pm

It might be funny to some, even most people, but it's not something I enjoyed to see. In fact, I think it may be unfairly tempting to some people, particularly in regard to:

"Your anger makes me happy."

Anyway, back to Christianity. I do think that there is an element of Happy-Bunnyish, Naziesque oppression in the Gospels in addition to the Golden Rule and the second Great Commandment. Matthew 13:47, for example, compares divine judgment to the inspecting of helpless fish trapped in a net. How else, other than by appearance, would you determine a good fish from a bad fish?

You may respond, "That's not how to correctly interpret that passage." Well, how do we know it isn't?


_________________
Sixteen essays so far.

Like a drop of blood in a tank of flesh-eating piranhas, a new idea never fails to arouse the wrath of herd prejudice.


McTell
Veteran
Veteran

User avatar

Joined: 27 Jan 2009
Gender: Male
Posts: 2,453
Location: Edinburgh, Scotland

25 Apr 2009, 11:14 pm

MikeH106 wrote:
You may respond, "That's not how to correctly interpret that passage." Well, how do we know it isn't?


How it's interpreted depends on the interpreter. But, I think your interpretation of the passage's intent seems quite odd, because it seems improbable that a religion would prize physical attractivenes without any of its devotees realising this.

MikeH106 wrote:
Matthew 13:47, for example, compares divine judgment to the inspecting of helpless fish trapped in a net. How else, other than by appearance, would you determine a good fish from a bad fish?


Fish are judged based on looks, but don't fisherman look at the state of their scales and fins(I'm not a fisherman)? Are we to assume, then, that the Bible is saying that people will be judged based upon their scales and fins at the end of days, or is that ridiculous?

We can agree that it is saying that people would be sorted into good and bad piles. But, if the bible is a book about morality, why wouldn't it just be talking about good and bad morality? Since judgements based on a morality are mentioned more often than judgements based on physical looks, it seems more reasonable to assume this talk of a judgement is about morality.



MikeH106
Veteran
Veteran

User avatar

Joined: 19 May 2006
Age: 43
Gender: Male
Posts: 1,060

25 Apr 2009, 11:16 pm

Is there a reason you flip-flopped my text?

I just asked right below the remark on Matthew 13:47 how we could possibly know the correct interpretation.


_________________
Sixteen essays so far.

Like a drop of blood in a tank of flesh-eating piranhas, a new idea never fails to arouse the wrath of herd prejudice.


McTell
Veteran
Veteran

User avatar

Joined: 27 Jan 2009
Gender: Male
Posts: 2,453
Location: Edinburgh, Scotland

25 Apr 2009, 11:25 pm

I thought that, by putting it at the top, the point could be seen to be about the issue of interpretation as a more general thing, rather than relating to this specific instance. The point was then talked about specifically in the second part, so I don't think it subverted your post in any way.

Are you thinking of interpretation as being, "knowing what the author meant," or are you thinking of it as, "knowing what we should take as a lesson from the passage," because these are two different ways the Bible can be interpreted?



oscuria
Veteran
Veteran

User avatar

Joined: 31 Jan 2008
Gender: Male
Posts: 1,748

26 Apr 2009, 2:38 am

when a person is in need a person attaches himself to what brings himm happiness. this isnt necessarily a bad thing. its the way majority is wired when it comes to political, religious, and other ideologies.

jesus creates an attachment/bond between the people who follow him. the same with krishna, buddha, muhammad, et al.

think of the people who in the facade have everything, yet still long for something else. it is a desire, but i dont believe it should be given such a crude view.

some just dont have a religious/spiritual side to them and will not understand. it is the same with those who instead follow politics, economic, or other sciences; equally submitting/committing their entire life. the other group will not understand the deep attraction,.

oh well.


_________________
sticks and stones may kill you.