A logical argument against the absolute nature of logic

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14 Apr 2010, 4:22 pm

There are some things which are absolute, such as counting:

"One light-bulb plus another light-bulb are two light-bulbs."

:idea: + :idea: = :idea: :idea:

The words for the numbers, "one, two, three,...", "uno, dos, tres,...", or whatever language you wish to use, are numerical value coefficients quantifying the amount of a given unit of item measured.

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14 Apr 2010, 4:30 pm

That's fuzzy

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14 Apr 2010, 4:45 pm

DaWalker wrote:

That's fuzzy

How so? Do you mean that it's incorrect or unsound? Or that instead of "dotting all the 'i's and crossing all the 't's" that I've spoken in shorthand? I find that most people converse in a sort of shorthand. It works best in a familiar group though, where all (or at least a fair amount) of premises are considered as givens and manners of communication are understood, but shorthand can be just as sound as explaining every single little detail and going through all the minutiae. Or what do you mean?

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14 Apr 2010, 5:09 pm

iamnotaparakeet wrote:

DaWalker wrote:

That's fuzzy

How so? Do you mean that it's incorrect or unsound? Or that instead of "dotting all the 'i's and crossing all the 't's" that I've spoken in shorthand? I find that most people converse in a sort of shorthand. It works best in a familiar group though, where all (or at least a fair amount) of premises are considered as givens and manners of communication are understood, but shorthand can be just as sound is explaining every single little detail and going through all the minutiae. Or what do you mean?

No offense,
only a reference to "Fuzzy Logic"
Meaning the value of said light bulb verses the total sum, is incomplete absolute logic.

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14 Apr 2010, 7:15 pm

iamnotaparakeet wrote:

There are some things which are absolute, such as counting:

"One light-bulb plus another light-bulb are two light-bulbs."

:idea:

The words for the numbers, "one, two, three,...", "uno, dos, tres,...", or whatever language you wish to use, are numerical value coefficients quantifying the amount of a given unit of item measured.

Add one cloud to another cloud and what do you get? If two holes side by side are joined, how many holes do you have? If one crowd joins another crowd, how many crowds do you get?

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14 Apr 2010, 8:37 pm

1+1=3. It is an obvious fact.

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14 Apr 2010, 11:06 pm

Sand wrote:

Add one cloud to another cloud and what do you get?

If you add one mole of H2O to four moles of H2O, then you have five moles of H2O. Combining clouds combines their quantities of water molecules.

Sand wrote:

If two holes side by side are joined, how many holes do you have?

Wow, you understand physics. So, is cold a fluid? Is darkness a substance?

Sand wrote:

If one crowd joins another crowd, how many crowds do you get?

You get one crowd, composed of the people of both crowds so that their combined total of people is equal to the sum of the totals of each of the crowds.

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14 Apr 2010, 11:21 pm

iamnotaparakeet wrote:

Sand wrote:

Add one cloud to another cloud and what do you get?

If you add one mole of H2O to four moles of H2O, then you have five moles of H2O. Combining clouds combines their quantities of water molecules.

Sand wrote:

If two holes side by side are joined, how many holes do you have?

Wow, you understand physics. So, is cold a fluid? Is darkness a substance?

Sand wrote:

If one crowd joins another crowd, how many crowds do you get?

You get one crowd, composed of the people of both crowds so that their combined total of people is equal to the sum of the totals of each of the crowds.

I was not talking about H2O or individual people. You don't seem able to comprehend the question.

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14 Apr 2010, 11:39 pm

Sand wrote:

iamnotaparakeet wrote:

Sand wrote:

Add one cloud to another cloud and what do you get?

If you add one mole of H2O to four moles of H2O, then you have five moles of H2O. Combining clouds combines their quantities of water molecules.

Sand wrote:

If two holes side by side are joined, how many holes do you have?

Wow, you understand physics. So, is cold a fluid? Is darkness a substance?

Sand wrote:

If one crowd joins another crowd, how many crowds do you get?

You get one crowd, composed of the people of both crowds so that their combined total of people is equal to the sum of the totals of each of the crowds.

I was not talking about H2O or individual people. You don't seem able to comprehend the question.

I comprehend it correctly. You're considering all the 1+1=1 type of things, although you fail to look any deeper into the meaning of your words than a blind man into a mirror.

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14 Apr 2010, 11:45 pm

iamnotaparakeet wrote:

Sand wrote:

iamnotaparakeet wrote:

Sand wrote:

Add one cloud to another cloud and what do you get?

If you add one mole of H2O to four moles of H2O, then you have five moles of H2O. Combining clouds combines their quantities of water molecules.

Sand wrote:

If two holes side by side are joined, how many holes do you have?

Wow, you understand physics. So, is cold a fluid? Is darkness a substance?

Sand wrote:

If one crowd joins another crowd, how many crowds do you get?

You get one crowd, composed of the people of both crowds so that their combined total of people is equal to the sum of the totals of each of the crowds.

I was not talking about H2O or individual people. You don't seem able to comprehend the question.

I comprehend it correctly. You're considering all the 1+1=1 type of things, although you fail to look any deeper into the meaning of your words than a blind man into a mirror.

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14 Apr 2010, 11:52 pm

Awesomelyglorious wrote:

1+1=3. It is an obvious fact.

In terms of a couple having a baby? How about "1 + 1 = 2+" as a general statement?

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14 Apr 2010, 11:58 pm

Sand wrote:

iamnotaparakeet wrote:

Sand wrote:

iamnotaparakeet wrote:

Sand wrote:

Add one cloud to another cloud and what do you get?

If you add one mole of H2O to four moles of H2O, then you have five moles of H2O. Combining clouds combines their quantities of water molecules.

Sand wrote:

If two holes side by side are joined, how many holes do you have?

Wow, you understand physics. So, is cold a fluid? Is darkness a substance?

Sand wrote:

If one crowd joins another crowd, how many crowds do you get?

You get one crowd, composed of the people of both crowds so that their combined total of people is equal to the sum of the totals of each of the crowds.

I was not talking about H2O or individual people. You don't seem able to comprehend the question.

And when you're adding crowds why jump to individual people (which was not the question)? Why not add toenails or, as you prefer with clouds, water molecules. Why not nipples or eyeballs? You don't grasp the problem.

People are the largest individual discrete unit of measurement in a crowd, as are the molecules in a cloud.

I comprehend it correctly. You're considering all the 1+1=1 type of things, although you fail to look any deeper into the meaning of your words than a blind man into a mirror.

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15 Apr 2010, 12:18 am

iamnotaparakeet wrote:

Sand wrote:

iamnotaparakeet wrote:

Sand wrote:

iamnotaparakeet wrote:

Sand wrote:

Add one cloud to another cloud and what do you get?

If you add one mole of H2O to four moles of H2O, then you have five moles of H2O. Combining clouds combines their quantities of water molecules.

Sand wrote:

If two holes side by side are joined, how many holes do you have?

Wow, you understand physics. So, is cold a fluid? Is darkness a substance?

Sand wrote:

If one crowd joins another crowd, how many crowds do you get?

You get one crowd, composed of the people of both crowds so that their combined total of people is equal to the sum of the totals of each of the crowds.

I was not talking about H2O or individual people. You don't seem able to comprehend the question.

Aaah, but the subjects of discourse were not water molecules or people but clouds and crowds and it seems you cannot grasp that.

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15 Apr 2010, 1:41 am

Sand wrote:

iamnotaparakeet wrote:

Sand wrote:

iamnotaparakeet wrote:

Sand wrote:

iamnotaparakeet wrote:

Sand wrote:

Add one cloud to another cloud and what do you get?

If you add one mole of H2O to four moles of H2O, then you have five moles of H2O. Combining clouds combines their quantities of water molecules.

Sand wrote:

If two holes side by side are joined, how many holes do you have?

Wow, you understand physics. So, is cold a fluid? Is darkness a substance?

Sand wrote:

If one crowd joins another crowd, how many crowds do you get?

You get one crowd, composed of the people of both crowds so that their combined total of people is equal to the sum of the totals of each of the crowds.

I was not talking about H2O or individual people. You don't seem able to comprehend the question.

Aaah, but the subjects of discourse were not water molecules or people but clouds and crowds and it seems you cannot grasp that.

Would this be more along the lines of what you are arguing in favor of?

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15 Apr 2010, 1:46 am

(blind man + breath) / cloud * grasp = 1

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15 Apr 2010, 1:59 am

pff, nothing more than prose.

i can line words up too:

logic created logicians!
logicians create limonade!
lemons logicate creaticians!

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