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Somehow coherent with promoting Russian propaganda now.

Sorry but I'm too close to Ukraine and I've met too many Ukrainians to swallow the "neo-nazi" aspersions. Ukrainians wanted to join EU to live like we do and to join NATO for protection. Russia invaded them for it and now is commiting multiple well-documented war crimes.
Nazi is as Nazi does.

I posted it for the benefit of those who can't spot war propaganda as easily as I can. If you don't want to get wrapped up in lies, believe nothing from Ukraine or Russia for the time being, you will know the barest truth of the war only after it ends. Be especially wary of atrocity propaganda - it's the most common form of war propaganda and also the most dangerous - it can lead to real atrocities and needless prolonging of fighting.

Case in point: https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1505 ... 36358.html That's Gennady Druzenko apparently gloating that he gave orders to castrate all wounded Russian soldiers in his hospitals, a war crime if ever there was one. Is this Russian propaganda? Did he actually do it? If he did, did he do it as a response to all this atrocity propaganda? How will the Russians respond? Do you think it will lead to fewer atrocities? I don't know myself.

Those pictures of bombed out civilian buildings, even without investigating them, I would remain skeptical of the narrative that the Russians did it for teh Evulz or just to demoralise. Assuming they were not errant missiles or the like, which happens a lot in war - it is very common for (morally loose and desperate) fighters facing a superior force to set up in and around civilians. It's a heads I win, tails you lose situation. If the enemy don't fire for the sake of the non-combatants, you can shoot them with impunity. If they do fire, you get a propaganda win of the sort you see above.

When people we don't like are doing this, we call it using human shields. But we like the Ukrainian military militias today, so we just republish the atrocity propaganda without thinking.

Likely - nothing has been provided to support this claim. No official channel of Druzhenko himself, no witnesses, not even time or place of where he's supposed to say it. Based on number of entirely made-up quotes on the internet? "Never trust quotes from Internet. Isaac Newton."

On the other hand, Ukrainians are as meticulous as one can be in such a situation in documenting war crimes on them, inviting UN, Red Cross, Haague Tribunal and any other international organizations willing to investigate.

And don't lose it from your sight - one side is the invader and the other is defending their land. No way how you try to spin it, simple geography does not bend.

You understand I hope that it's in their strategic interest to paint any and every incident as a Russian war crime or even invent atrocities outright. They want to get foreign powers involved.

It's in their interest to document atrocities but not in their interest to invent them - losing credibility in such a situation would cost well too much.
Part of the propaganda war is actually making false claims that Ukrainians are making false claims - you can spot it by lack of connection to official Ukrainian channels.

Naive. Credibility means little to the dead. Many war atrocities are later discovered to be total fiction, it will be no different this time.

Many claims generally tend to be corrected over time, in any direction - Holocaust turned out much worse than people of the time believed it to be.

But if you want everyone to wait until a war is over before taking any action, you're leaving safe space for the agressor - and in this conflict the agressor is clear. Even without taking war crimes into account, this is an unjustified invasion.

We've already had this discussion. The history books will see things quite differently, I assure you. But let's not get into that again, I am bored of reading and writing the same things a hundred different ways.

I don't know what basis you have to "assure" me about future history books. So far, I take it as another empty claim.
Geography is simple: One country invaded another. What could be changed about it?

Ukraine makes sure it’s accountable and transparent. Russia is one big obscurantist entity.

Yes, and Russia controls very much what their citizens can see or hear in the media. Despite their efforts, most Russians are either totally against the invasion or they're indifferent. The inner pool of blindly loyal chief hombres seems to be drying up!

What do you think about Operation Valentine in your black and white world? I know Adolf Churchill said it was all about securing the British Homeland, but geography is simple right?



Even a Ukrainian soldier, under fire from the Russians would laugh his sides into orbit on hearing this.

It was well into the World War II and whole Europe was already at war. Faroe Islands were a territory of Denmark and Denmark was occupied by Germany. Løgting (local parliament) accepted British occupation, probably because they prefered it to the alternative being German occupation.
Hard to call it an invasion on an independent country and even harder to call it starting a war.

Wars can be full of very dubious situations that escape black-and-white thinking, I'm sure one could dig up a better historical example than you provided - but what's going on now is not this type of situation. It's an act of unilateral agression.

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This YouTuber is a Polish gal married to a fellow from India & has done this channel since 2016.

As long as Putin keeps going at it, to keep Ukraine away from the corruption, that was morphed from the plandemic to a pseudo war, Vlad is doing what needs to be done. Vladimir Putin is fighting corruption head on, despite having all the mainstream media against him. Some countries like the USA and Canada have traitors as president and only a "fringe minority" have been vocal, although they were vocal enough (thanks to the truckers) to get Big Pharma packing and stop the coronaphobia. Now, they switched to war to keep people in fear and then they encourage people to fund the war through donations to Ukraine. Just don't throw out your money for them to fund chemical weapons.