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25 Aug 2011, 4:40 am

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I wouldn't lobby against laws that forbade late-term abortion with rape, health, and fetal abnormality exceptions because that's the state of the law that currently exists in most places, and that's what's allowed for in Roe v. Wade.


You would still vote against them, that is a form of lobbying.

[quote="LKL"] while I agree that late term abortions should be avoided, I am not willing to impose my will on other people in this. You, by your own statements, are. The reason, as I have said, that I would not so strongly fight laws that place life/health/abnormality restrictions on late-term abortions (by which I mean 3rd trimester, not 16 weeks as you have previously mentioned) is simply that it wouldn't affect that many women because such a low percentage of abortions take place that late. I would still vote against such a law, but I probably wouldn't donate money in order to fight it. [/quote]


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25 Aug 2011, 4:45 am

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Someone like ValentineWiggin most likely would not have even acknowledged that trimesters were important thirty years ago; but slowly medical science has pushed those views back.


I don't "acknowledge" them even now, except as interesting factoids.
The experiential capacities of the dependent party in question are utterly-irrelevant when the fundamental question is one of a justified claim to act as parasite.

If refusing me the use of your kidneys should I need them, resulting in my death, is justified regardless of my brain activity, heartbeat, blah de emotional appeal blah, then likewise such is subterfuge regarding abortion.


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25 Aug 2011, 4:53 am

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Inuyasha, the minute you magically grow a uterus and get impregnated by your rapist is the minute I take your opinion seriously.

FTR, I don't like abortion.


You may be a woman but that doesn't make you superior to me in some way. We are both human beings, as a fellow human being, I have a right to speak out against the murder of innocent children.

Since we were all infants once, everyone whether they are male or female have a right to participate in this argument, the fact you are a woman does not give you a moral highground. Any one of us could just as easily have been the child that was murdered in the womb instead of being here today.


Where did I say I was superior?


It's all relative- daring to assert that there is no legitimate power over the body of another, even by men over women, is in the eyes of some asserting one's self as "superior".


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25 Aug 2011, 4:58 am

I'll summarize what will undoubtedly be the next ten pages:

Anti-choice proponent: "It's human, and innocent, and souls and pixie dust and it's SPECIAL!"
Me: "What in bloody hell are you on about?"


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25 Aug 2011, 5:09 am

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LKL wrote:
I wouldn't lobby against laws that forbade late-term abortion with rape, health, and fetal abnormality exceptions because that's the state of the law that currently exists in most places, and that's what's allowed for in Roe v. Wade.


You would still vote against them, that is a form of lobbying.

Not by my definition of the verb, 'to lobby.' *shrug*



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25 Aug 2011, 10:10 am

TeaEarlGreyHot wrote:
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Inuyasha, the minute you magically grow a uterus and get impregnated by your rapist is the minute I take your opinion seriously.

FTR, I don't like abortion.


You may be a woman but that doesn't make you superior to me in some way. We are both human beings, as a fellow human being, I have a right to speak out against the murder of innocent children.

Since we were all infants once, everyone whether they are male or female have a right to participate in this argument, the fact you are a woman does not give you a moral highground. Any one of us could just as easily have been the child that was murdered in the womb instead of being here today.


Where did I say I was superior?


You didn't have to. Our Little Inuyasha is blessed with an inferiority complex, and is inclined automatically to regard others as superior.



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25 Aug 2011, 11:11 am

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I just think if it HAS to be the mother or the baby, the mother should come first. But if the girl/woman is physically and emotionally capable of having the baby, she should have it probably and if she doesn't like the baby because it reminds her of its dad, she can give it up for adoption.


I see woman as a much greater and more complex entity than a mere breeding machine. I see no situation where a woman would "have to" have a baby against her will. It is not automatic law of the nature that a woman will love the born child and that every born child will grow into a happy and stable environment. Having and raising a child is a lifelong responsibility. I would see more reasons needed for considering having a child than not having one. I could never consider going through the physical and emotional burden of pregnancy just to give the baby away to be adopted (which would also leave permanent emotional marks).

If we start defining life pre-birth, we can quickly reach a point when male masturbation and ejaculation equals to murder.


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25 Aug 2011, 11:25 am

pandabear wrote:
TeaEarlGreyHot wrote:
Inuyasha wrote:
TeaEarlGreyHot wrote:
Inuyasha, the minute you magically grow a uterus and get impregnated by your rapist is the minute I take your opinion seriously.

FTR, I don't like abortion.


You may be a woman but that doesn't make you superior to me in some way. We are both human beings, as a fellow human being, I have a right to speak out against the murder of innocent children.

Since we were all infants once, everyone whether they are male or female have a right to participate in this argument, the fact you are a woman does not give you a moral highground. Any one of us could just as easily have been the child that was murdered in the womb instead of being here today.


Where did I say I was superior?


You didn't have to. Our Little Inuyasha is blessed with an inferiority complex, and is inclined automatically to regard others as superior.


This could come in handy... :chin:


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25 Aug 2011, 11:27 am

ValentineWiggin wrote:
TeaEarlGreyHot wrote:
Inuyasha wrote:
TeaEarlGreyHot wrote:
Inuyasha, the minute you magically grow a uterus and get impregnated by your rapist is the minute I take your opinion seriously.

FTR, I don't like abortion.


You may be a woman but that doesn't make you superior to me in some way. We are both human beings, as a fellow human being, I have a right to speak out against the murder of innocent children.

Since we were all infants once, everyone whether they are male or female have a right to participate in this argument, the fact you are a woman does not give you a moral highground. Any one of us could just as easily have been the child that was murdered in the womb instead of being here today.


Where did I say I was superior?


It's all relative- daring to assert that there is no legitimate power over the body of another, even by men over women, is in the eyes of some asserting one's self as "superior".


Oh, I get it. I should just keep quiet and accept a man's control over my reproductive rights because that makes me equal.


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25 Aug 2011, 4:43 pm

TeaEarlGreyHot wrote:
pandabear wrote:
TeaEarlGreyHot wrote:
Inuyasha wrote:
TeaEarlGreyHot wrote:
Inuyasha, the minute you magically grow a uterus and get impregnated by your rapist is the minute I take your opinion seriously.

FTR, I don't like abortion.


You may be a woman but that doesn't make you superior to me in some way. We are both human beings, as a fellow human being, I have a right to speak out against the murder of innocent children.

Since we were all infants once, everyone whether they are male or female have a right to participate in this argument, the fact you are a woman does not give you a moral highground. Any one of us could just as easily have been the child that was murdered in the womb instead of being here today.


Where did I say I was superior?


You didn't have to. Our Little Inuyasha is blessed with an inferiority complex, and is inclined automatically to regard others as superior.


This could come in handy... :chin:


Actually, it's more of i think you ladies are acting like a bunch of narcisists, get it through you head that abortion has a victim, and that victim is a child that never did anything to hurt anyone. You are essentially saying another human being simply doesn't have the right to exist.

You complain about being objectified, yet you are essentially objectifying children simply because you consider them inconveinent. What next, slavery should be reinstuted because children are property, not a person?

TeaEarlGreyHot wrote:
Oh, I get it. I should just keep quiet and accept a man's control over my reproductive rights because that makes me equal.


I will point out again, the child did not commit any crimes, and there is such a thing as adoption.



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25 Aug 2011, 4:47 pm

Is Inuyasha volunteering to adopt all those babies?



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25 Aug 2011, 4:51 pm

Inuyasha wrote:
TeaEarlGreyHot wrote:
Inuyasha, the minute you magically grow a uterus and get impregnated by your rapist is the minute I take your opinion seriously.

FTR, I don't like abortion.


Actually, it's more of i think you ladies are acting like a bunch of narcisists, get it through you head that abortion has a victim, and that victim is a child that never did anything to hurt anyone. You are essentially saying another human being simply doesn't have the right to exist.

You complain about being objectified, yet you are essentially objectifying children simply because you consider them inconveinent. What next, slavery should be reinstuted because children are property, not a person?


You sure do read a lot into things. Objectify children? :lol:

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I will point out again, the child did not commit any crimes, and there is such a thing as adoption.


I left up my original post in the quote above this one so you could re-read it. I have my doubts you'll really understand what I'm getting at but I just don't care.


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25 Aug 2011, 4:54 pm

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Is Inuyasha volunteering to adopt all those babies?


You and I both know there is a huge backlog of people that are willing to adopt. The fact I can't handle a kid right now, is immaterial. There are people out there that would provide stable homes for them.

The reality is that you are trying to say that because I can't care for a kid right now, it is okay to essentially commit mass murder. That quite frankly, is extremely disgusting, though I'm not surprised you'd say something like that.



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25 Aug 2011, 5:00 pm

Inuyasha won't even pay tax to give these rape victims free health insurance coverage



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25 Aug 2011, 5:01 pm

Lilya wrote:
If we start defining life pre-birth, we can quickly reach a point when male masturbation and ejaculation equals to murder.


So would taking a piss. When a guy takes a piss, sperms are ejected from the body. It's kind of funny, really, how just taking a piss can be seen as "morally incorrect abortion". It's also funny how nature is allowed to abort fetuses, quite frequently, but if you take matters into your own hands, apparently it can be seen as "murder". Maybe we should bomb the whole human species, away, so nature can't keep doing its own abortions, though.... that'd take care of all moral problems that "pro-lifers" may see, I guess.



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25 Aug 2011, 5:02 pm

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Inuyasha won't even pay tax to give these rape victims free health insurance coverage


You can't have it both ways...

According to what the Democrats are on record of saying and the language written in Obamacare, it is a mandate, not a tax.