Column: Larry Elder is the Black face of white supremacy.

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Until the Trump years, refugees were supposed to be able to apply for asylum. That changed when Trump decided to keep out black and brown people from what he called $hithole countries, like these people.
If someone gallantly makes a dangerous journey to escape poverty and violence in order to become Americans, then that's courage that should be rewarded.[/quote
Being a refugee is not a permanent status. They can apply in any country so why must it be the United States?
If they are suffering persecution and/or abuse in their own country refugees should apply in the nearest country to their own. The US has a lot of house keeping to do in regards to the entire immigrant/refugee system.

These particular refugees weren't even allowed to apply, but were charged by border patrol agents who destroyed their camp.
Why must they apply for refugee status in the US? The fact that we Americans regard our country as the greatest country on earth should answer why. We should proud that people the world over want to be Americans.

"Oh, ok."
So, do you believe there should be *no* vetting process?

Watch out, this is a "leading question".

My apologies to KraftieKortie and Fnord for writing the wrong name! Senior moment, I guess.

I completely discard the conservative position that these thoughts are planted in the young. I watched my children grow up, and I watched how their thinking evolved. We taught them to think for themselves, and so did their teachers. They reject a LOT that my husband and I believe, and a lot that their teachers believe - if they even know what their teachers believe (many very carefully did not share). But youth is naturally idealistic. They spend their young years being taught to share. To be nice. To be generous. Those are the prevalent values both liberal and conservative families teach to their children. When they first start to see despair and unfairness, they instinctively see it as "bad." They also tend to be much closer to the lessons of history. There are many, many explanations that make a lot more natural sense than the indoctrination line.

Today's American youth also bear the scars of never knowing a world where there was no 9-11. Never knowing a USA that was not at war. Never knowing a world where weather disasters were not prevalent. Never knowing a world that promised them a life that would be better than their parents. And never knowing a world without regular lock down drills at school in fear of some madman shooting them up. They are more anxious than any prior generation, more depressed, more often diagnosed with learning disabilities, and ANGRY.

My children may lose their passion to the grinding work of living adult life, and they may learn the value of incremental change over revolution, but it isn't like they will turn everything they believe on its head.

I don't buy the company line. It's an excuse. I have no patience for the attempt to find proof to justify a conclusion you already want to reach. Conservatives want to blame the educational system for turning people against their ideas instead of taking a good, hard look at the problems with their ideas.

I grew up conservative, by the way. I remember taking the pro-life position in a current issues debate at school, and I was persuasive. What is funny is that real life flipped me into a liberal. I heard real life experiences from other women, and saw how things I once believed could never be the right answer in any of those stories. We are all more products of our cumulative life experiences than we are of someone else's politics.

When did I ever say there should be no vetting process???

It was a question, not a statement.
It was asked for clarification.
We have established what you are, now.

Which reminds me of a joke I have mentioned elsewhere, recently:

A man approaches a beautiful woman on the street and askes her if she would sleep with him for $1,000,000.
She excitedly agreed to the proposition.
The man then asked if she would do it for $50.
The woman was indignant and asked him what he thought she was.
The man replied: "We have established what you are. We are simply haggling over the price."

The notion that America isn't vetting immigrants - particularly non-white immigrants - is a falsehood promoted by the right. More and more people on the right promoting such thought are revealing their support for the obscene, racist conspiracy theory known as the Great Replacement. That is, the notion that brown and black immigrants are being brought in to replace white Americans. And who is supposedly behind this? Well, at the Unite the Right rally at Charlottesville, the torch bearing racist fanatics chanted: "Jews will not replace us." Since then, liberals and Democrats have taken the place of Jews as the dastardly plotters against the white race. Whether it's Jews or liberals, it's still completely false and based on the fevered dreams of hateful white nationalists.
Sound insane? Well, it's apparently acceptable to more mainstream Republicans, as the so called Great Replacement has been advocated by the likes of Tucker Carlson, and Matt Gaetz. And it's not just them.

An interesting strawman responce - The subject being discussed was the actions taken by educators to encourage or challenge these "luxury beliefs" which tend to be quickly discarded once students enter the "real world"\leave the sheltered zones of the educational institutions, not "who seeded the idea"\"planted the thought", as you attempted to reframe the discussion.

There is a big difference between "seeding"\planting the ideas (which your responce headed off on a tangent to refute arguments which you introduced for this purpose), and "encouraging"\"challenging" beliefs\opinions which already existed, and which are quickly discarded by most on leaving these educational facilities (which was what the area being discussed was revolving around).

It doesn't matter where\how the belief comes from (home\another student\etc.), the fact that so many within the educational institutions (students\staff\etc) hold these views, yet drop them on leaving the institutions would indicate that there is an issue within those institutions which is causing those within it to have a false\distorted view of the world. Were they doing their job, students would be more aware of what the "real world" is like, and so be unlikely to have a need to change their views on entering it after their time in the educational institutions ended.

If the goal of the education system was to prepare students for their future life, it would be expected that their understanding of the world they would be entering should align with that world, not consist of "luxury beliefs" which contradict\conflict with their future experiences, and so will be quickly discarded once exposed to the outside world.

The notion that America isn't vetting immigrants - particularly non-white immigrants - is a falsehood promoted by the right. More and more people on the right promoting such thought are revealing their support for the obscene, racist conspiracy theory known as the Great Replacement. That is, the notion that brown and black immigrants are being brought in to replace white Americans. And who is supposedly behind this? Well, at the Unite the Right rally at Charlottesville, the torch bearing racist fanatics chanted: "Jews will not replace us." Since then, liberals and Democrats have taken the place of Jews as the dastardly plotters against the white race. Whether it's Jews or liberals, it's still completely false and based on the fevered dreams of hateful white nationalists.
Sound insane? Well, it's apparently acceptable to more mainstream Republicans, as the so called Great Replacement has been advocated by the likes of Tucker Carlson, and Matt Gaetz. And it's not just them.

These particular refugees weren't even allowed to apply, but were charged by border patrol agents who destroyed their camp.
Why must they apply for refugee status in the US? The fact that we Americans regard our country as the greatest country on earth should answer why. We should proud that people the world over want to be Americans.

The notion that America isn't vetting immigrants - particularly non-white immigrants - is a falsehood promoted by the right. More and more people on the right promoting such thought are revealing their support for the obscene, racist conspiracy theory known as the Great Replacement. That is, the notion that brown and black immigrants are being brought in to replace white Americans. And who is supposedly behind this? Well, at the Unite the Right rally at Charlottesville, the torch bearing racist fanatics chanted: "Jews will not replace us." Since then, liberals and Democrats have taken the place of Jews as the dastardly plotters against the white race. Whether it's Jews or liberals, it's still completely false and based on the fevered dreams of hateful white nationalists.
Sound insane? Well, it's apparently acceptable to more mainstream Republicans, as the so called Great Replacement has been advocated by the likes of Tucker Carlson, and Matt Gaetz. And it's not just them.

The subject was not educators, it was why someone's thinking might change in young adulthood. You proposed that it is evidence people find out reality doesn't mash up with what was taught by educators. I am saying that I strongly disagree and am explaining exactly why.

If there is a strawman in the room, it's your attempt to blame educators for the instinctive passions of youth. You can't rewrite the conversation to pretend it had previously included mention of "luxury beliefs" when it did not. That may have been what you were thinking when you embarked on suggesting A must be proof of B, but you never wrote it.

Acknowledging the discussion was about why a person's thinking on this specific subject would change so greatly at a specific point (and not about the "planting the seed" for that belief)

White privilege is the luxury belief that took me the longest to understand, because I grew up around poor whites. Often members of the upper-class claim that racial disparities stem from inherent advantages held by whites. Yet Asian Americans are more educated, have higher earnings and live longer than whites. Affluent whites are the most enthusiastic about the idea of white privilege, yet they are the least likely to incur any costs for promoting that belief. Rather, they raise their social standing by talking about their privilege.

In other words, upper-class whites gain status by talking about their high status. When laws are enacted to combat white privilege, it won’t be the privileged whites who are harmed. Poor whites will bear the brunt.

There seems a high degree here of defensiveness over\deflection from the simple question as to why staff in educational institutions don't seemingly do enough to prepare students for the world outside the educational facilities, given so many of the students will seemingly cease to believe something which was believed so strongly whilst inside the facilities.

As a side note, claims of "hormones" being the cause of the strong belief don't really fit with the observed data, given these changes occur during adolesence, which runs until 18/19, yet students are generally in college for several more years following this, during which time it would be expected that the level of belief in the subject would wane, and students would be less likely to hold the views prior to leaving collecge, rather than ceasing to believe after this point. When you add in the detail that it is those in colleges who dominate discussion on this topic, whereas their peers who do not participate in college have a much lower level of belief on this subject\participation in actions regarding it, it does suggest that "hormones" have a lesser impact than the college environment on fostering this belief.