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28 Mar 2022, 1:19 pm

Why am I not even the least bit astonished?

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28 Mar 2022, 2:03 pm

Ukraine President Volodymyr Zelensky just made enemy with a big chunk of North Americans.

After 32 days of war, Zelensky is criticizing the efforts made by the USA/Canada as being not enough, as our countries being "lazy", not wanting to get involved on their side of the war. First and foremost, I'm very happy to feel the bitterness coming from the Ukraine President, as he was playing a game and we are starting to see his true self get exposed. As a Canadian, I am used to an actor running a country, as Justin Trudeau was doing art class, before he got his president gig as a big time talker/actor and antagonist! Justin's rise of hell was slowly prepared by his diseased father in the 2000s. Biden in the USA is not nearly as toxic as Trudeau is for Canada, IMO. Anyway, not my point.

Zelensky just proved my point that america has to stop funding the Ukraine side of things, in order for the war to die off. Russians citizens have been mishandled, especially russians outside of the country being bullied and this gotta stop. If Ukraine continues to diss americans, on a political standpoint, then we just need to let Ukraine and Russia do their thing because, as Zelenzky says, Americans are lazy and don't want to help (despite loads of money sent, events to gather money and now he wants weapons and airplanes, otherwise, we are being labelled negatively). The longer this conflict lasts, the more we see the truth with how "bad" Putin is and how as bad or worst Zelensky is. Glad to have heard him speak and be honest about his views on the hand that feeds, that he just bit.

Last but most important, I am blaming the President, just like I'm Canadian and despise the Prime Minister we have. Ukraine citizens don't deserve all that chaos going on, we had enough of the pandemic to deal with without politics getting involved again. Sorry for every death and loss of Ukraine. I love russians and Ukrainians, but about the leaders, we have the right to look and see that's something up. Take Care Stay safe!!



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28 Mar 2022, 2:05 pm

^ Link to the full text, please.
I follow what's happening day-by-day and didn't come across any accusations of Americans being "lazy".
But it shouldn't be a problem to link the interview where he said it, should it?


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28 Mar 2022, 2:29 pm

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Ukraine President Volodymyr Zelensky just made enemy with a big chunk of North Americans.

After 32 days of war, Zelensky is criticizing the efforts made by the USA/Canada as being not enough, as our countries being "lazy", not wanting to get involved on their side of the war. First and foremost, I'm very happy to feel the bitterness coming from the Ukraine President, as he was playing a game and we are starting to see his true self get exposed. As a Canadian, I am used to an actor running a country, as Justin Trudeau was doing art class, before he got his president gig as a big time talker/actor and antagonist! Justin's rise of hell was slowly prepared by his diseased father in the 2000s. Biden in the USA is not nearly as toxic as Trudeau is for Canada, IMO. Anyway, not my point.

Zelensky just proved my point that america has to stop funding the Ukraine side of things, in order for the war to die off. Russians citizens have been mishandled, especially russians outside of the country being bullied and this gotta stop. If Ukraine continues to diss americans, on a political standpoint, then we just need to let Ukraine and Russia do their thing because, as Zelenzky says, Americans are lazy and don't want to help (despite loads of money sent, events to gather money and now he wants weapons and airplanes, otherwise, we are being labelled negatively). The longer this conflict lasts, the more we see the truth with how "bad" Putin is and how as bad or worst Zelensky is. Glad to have heard him speak and be honest about his views on the hand that feeds, that he just bit.

Last but most important, I am blaming the President, just like I'm Canadian and despise the Prime Minister we have. Ukraine citizens don't deserve all that chaos going on, we had enough of the pandemic to deal with without politics getting involved again. Sorry for every death and loss of Ukraine. I love russians and Ukrainians, but about the leaders, we have the right to look and see that's something up. Take Care Stay safe!!


Okay ,, this feels alittle disturbing ..! 8O


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28 Mar 2022, 2:37 pm

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Ukraine President Volodymyr Zelensky just made enemy with a big chunk of North Americans.

After 32 days of war, Zelensky is criticizing the efforts made by the USA/Canada as being not enough, as our countries being "lazy", not wanting to get involved on their side of the war. First and foremost, I'm very happy to feel the bitterness coming from the Ukraine President, as he was playing a game and we are starting to see his true self get exposed. As a Canadian, I am used to an actor running a country, as Justin Trudeau was doing art class, before he got his president gig as a big time talker/actor and antagonist! Justin's rise of hell was slowly prepared by his diseased father in the 2000s. Biden in the USA is not nearly as toxic as Trudeau is for Canada, IMO. Anyway, not my point.

Zelensky just proved my point that america has to stop funding the Ukraine side of things, in order for the war to die off. Russians citizens have been mishandled, especially russians outside of the country being bullied and this gotta stop. If Ukraine continues to diss americans, on a political standpoint, then we just need to let Ukraine and Russia do their thing because, as Zelenzky says, Americans are lazy and don't want to help (despite loads of money sent, events to gather money and now he wants weapons and airplanes, otherwise, we are being labelled negatively). The longer this conflict lasts, the more we see the truth with how "bad" Putin is and how as bad or worst Zelensky is. Glad to have heard him speak and be honest about his views on the hand that feeds, that he just bit.

Last but most important, I am blaming the President, just like I'm Canadian and despise the Prime Minister we have. Ukraine citizens don't deserve all that chaos going on, we had enough of the pandemic to deal with without politics getting involved again. Sorry for every death and loss of Ukraine. I love russians and Ukrainians, but about the leaders, we have the right to look and see that's something up. Take Care Stay safe!!

Okay ,, this feels alittle disturbing ..! 8O
Until he provides the link to back his words, treat it as potentially entirely made up.
Yup, be aware of it. An actual war is always accompanied by information war. Double-check your sources, especially on social media.
A claim that a politician said something should be easy to back with a link - if the politician actually said it, that is.


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28 Mar 2022, 4:54 pm

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. . . just like I'm Canadian and . . .
He is just another foreign national 'splaining' what everything is all about and what America should do about it.

:roll: As if.



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28 Mar 2022, 4:57 pm

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Until he provides the link to back his words, treat it as potentially entirely made up. Yup, be aware of it. An actual war is always accompanied by information war. Double-check your sources, especially on social media. A claim that a politician said something should be easy to back with a link - if the politician actually said it, that is.
He IS the source, Magz -- I can find no other on-line.


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28 Mar 2022, 8:52 pm

I'm really surprised a lot of Russian army has chosen to follow Putin's orders and start a war like this, kill civilians, etc, just because they were ordered to.

I mean for example in the US, if Biden decided to order the military to invade Mexico and take it over, most of them would think that was crazy and just not listen.

Why are Russians so blind to follow orders, no matter how evil they are? When I watched movies like Dr. Strangelove or Fail-Safe the Americans would talk about how Russians are less than human and have no morals, etc. But now I'm starting to think maybe the way Americans thought of a lot of them could have been possibly true, if they will just commit mass murder because they were told too. Not that America is flawless of course, but maybe they were onto something.



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28 Mar 2022, 9:03 pm

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I'm really surprised a lot of Russian army has chosen to follow Putin's orders and start a war like this, kill civilians, etc, just because they were ordered to.

I mean for example in the US, if Biden decided to order the military to invade Mexico and take it over, most of them would think that was crazy and just not listen.

Why are Russians so blind to follow orders, no matter how evil they are? When I watched movies like Dr. Strangelove or Fail-Safe the Americans would talk about how Russians are less than human and have no morals, etc. But now I'm starting to think maybe the way Americans thought of a lot of them could have been possibly true, if they will just commit mass murder because they were told too. Not that America is flawless of course, but maybe they were onto something.


Because they are lied to by a dictator feeding them nothing but propaganda vs. real information. They believe they're going to Ukraine to liberate Ukrainians from corruption and nazis because that's what they were told and they believe it, much like all those trump supporters that attacked the capitol building in DC because he told them the election (that he lost) was stolen, and they believed trump just like putin cultists believe putin. Simple as that.


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28 Mar 2022, 9:05 pm

But why do they think of the civilians they are killing as nazis? Why do they believe in this propaganda... Why aren't higher ups in the military not falling for this?

But I also feel this is different than people going to the capital because of Trump though, because Trump did not order mass murder of a group of people though, and no one carried out a mass murder, so I don't think it's near as evil as what is going on here.



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28 Mar 2022, 9:50 pm

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Ukraine President Volodymyr Zelensky just made enemy with a big chunk of North Americans.

After 32 days of war, Zelensky is criticizing the efforts made by the USA/Canada as being not enough, as our countries being "lazy", not wanting to get involved on their side of the war. First and foremost, I'm very happy to feel the bitterness coming from the Ukraine President, as he was playing a game and we are starting to see his true self get exposed. As a Canadian, I am used to an actor running a country, as Justin Trudeau was doing art class, before he got his president gig as a big time talker/actor and antagonist! Justin's rise of hell was slowly prepared by his diseased father in the 2000s. Biden in the USA is not nearly as toxic as Trudeau is for Canada, IMO. Anyway, not my point.

Zelensky just proved my point that america has to stop funding the Ukraine side of things, in order for the war to die off. Russians citizens have been mishandled, especially russians outside of the country being bullied and this gotta stop. If Ukraine continues to diss americans, on a political standpoint, then we just need to let Ukraine and Russia do their thing because, as Zelenzky says, Americans are lazy and don't want to help (despite loads of money sent, events to gather money and now he wants weapons and airplanes, otherwise, we are being labelled negatively). The longer this conflict lasts, the more we see the truth with how "bad" Putin is and how as bad or worst Zelensky is. Glad to have heard him speak and be honest about his views on the hand that feeds, that he just bit.

Last but most important, I am blaming the President, just like I'm Canadian and despise the Prime Minister we have. Ukraine citizens don't deserve all that chaos going on, we had enough of the pandemic to deal with without politics getting involved again. Sorry for every death and loss of Ukraine. I love russians and Ukrainians, but about the leaders, we have the right to look and see that's something up. Take Care Stay safe!!



I am still waiting for that link too.



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28 Mar 2022, 10:39 pm

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But why do they think of the civilians they are killing as nazis? Why do they believe in this propaganda... Why aren't higher ups in the military not falling for this?

But I also feel this is different than people going to the capital because of Trump though, because Trump did not order mass murder of a group of people though, and no one carried out a mass murder, so I don't think it's near as evil as what is going on here.


The soldiers weren’t told where they were even going at first, just that it was a special operation. Russian media is literally all kremlin propaganda from putin. It’s like North Korea or Fox News in the USA - pure bs that is intended to tell the listener what to believe. Russia/putin told their citizens they’re fighting corruption and Nazis and ~half the population, especially older people, believe it.

I didn’t say it’s the same evil. I said the cult mentality/psychology about it all is very similar. Lying politicians broadcast propaganda and their audience believes everything they say like they’re in some sort of cult and are completely under the spell of their cult leader, completely mesmerized and incapable of seeing objective reality for what it is.


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28 Mar 2022, 10:58 pm

Oh okay. But it seems that Russian military has now had time to find out this is more than 'just an operation' yet they are still following orders though.



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29 Mar 2022, 6:23 am

Not living in UK I didn't see that coming,

"Several of the largest steam heritage railways in Britain have announced reduced schedules or postponed special events involving multiple locomotives. The reason: a shortage of suitable coal because of transport or supply problems following the Russian invasion of Ukraine.

Britain once boasted the world’s largest coal export ports. Railways around the world relied on coal exported via ports such as Cardiff and Barry in Wales in the early 20th century, but that has long been history. The last coal mines in Britain closed in the last few years as the country has moved away from coal to generate electricity. Coal used for power, now only occasionally, is imported, as is the coal used by steelmakers and heritage railways.

In 2021 the Heritage Railway Association, representing the UK’s heritage railways, warned the entire sector was dependent on imported coal after the last English mine ceased production; the last UK mine, in Wales, closed in 2022. Planning permits for new mines elsewhere in the UK have been refused in recent years despite significant remaining coal reserves.

Much of the 30,000 tons of coal used annually by British heritage railways in recent years came from countries such as Kazakhstan, Russia, or further afield in the Americas. Coal from Russia is no longer an option due to sanctions and public opinion. Coal from Central Asian countries such as Kazakhstan was shipped by rail to a port via Russia and possibly Ukraine; neither option is currently available."

https://www.trains.com/trn/news-reviews ... age-steam/


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