Free-will and Atheism

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Anyway...I'm not opposed to synthetic proteins, but I do wonder if it's really necessary when animals like chickens are walking protein factories all their own.

Some people object to the killing, and certainly to the current conditions. But If there is a change to synthetics I suspect it would be linked to price. If you can grow meat in a tank that tastes like normal meat and it's cheaper than raising and slaughtering animals, the argument would be won economically over time.

I use soy meat once a week or more and I quite like it. Once there is better stuff I'll consider dropping animal meat entirely.

Cultured meat, in vitro.

I think that would be interesting. I'm all for it if it would actually work, especially if it was economically feasible compared to au naturale. I think it's like the current fascination with electric vehicles vs. internal combustion. The most prohibitive factor so far in consumer adoption of electric cars really has been price. I personally spend $40, give or take, every week to fuel my car. Let's say an "affordable" electric can be bought for $40,000. That means I'd have to hang on to the same vehicle for roughly 20 years before the savings on gasoline would just begin to pay off, and I'd STILL have to pay for the electricity to charge the thing and have the same maintenance costs every year if not more due to new technology. I'm nearing my mid-30s now, so it's difficult to justify investing in something I'll want to keep for 20 years and probably won't work anymore anyway when it finally starts to pay for itself by the time I'm reaching retirement age.

The same principle applies to synthetic meat--first, developing the technology and know-how to make it happen, then paying equipment manufacturers as well as the r&d guys who make it all happen. I have no doubts that you'll likely eventually get your wish. My question to you, though, is by the time you do actually get your wish, will you be too old to care?

Yeah-but. Should grown up folks continue to believe in fairy tales?

ruveyn

Sadly, the majority continue to believe in these sky gods. Every time we meet a 'believer' ask them on what basis did they reject all of the thousands of other sky gods and choose their personal bff. High IQ scores are highly correlated with dis-belief.

You didn't ask me. Before you do however, might want to pour over what I have posted as to why I believe...

or you could be succinct and tell us

I think I will write a document about that and post it on my website, then just start linking to it. Might take a day or two.

My point was that if nothing dies, then all the mechanics that normally govern death must be off too. You do know there are research species of bacteria that multiply wildly so one can quickly observe changes to the organism over generations in relation to changes in conditions, diet, lighting, etc.

In an ideal environment, a bacteria cell can divide approximately every 20 minutes.


Bacterial Growth in a Single Bacteria Cell Dividing Every 20 Minutes over 24 hours.

Time Bacterial Count

9:00 a.m. 1
10:00 a.m. 8
11:00 a.m. 64
12:00 p.m. 512
1:00 p.m. 4,000
2:00 p.m. 32,000
3:00 p.m. 262,000
4:00 p.m. 2,000,000
5:00 p.m. 16,000,000
6:00 p.m. 134,000,000
7:00 p.m. 1,072,000,000
8:00 p.m. 8,576,000,000
9:00 p.m. 68,608,000,000
10:00 p.m. 548,864,000,000
11:00 p.m. 4,390,912,000,000
12:00 a.m. 35,127,296,000,000
1:00 a.m. 281,018,368,000,000
2:00 a.m. 2,248,146,944,000,000
3:00 a.m. 17,985,175,552,000,000
4:00 a.m. 143,881,404,416,000,000
5:00 a.m. 1,151,051,235,328,000,000
6:00 a.m. 9,208,409,882,624,000,000
7:00 a.m. 73,667,279,060,992,000,000
8:00 a.m. 589,338,232,487,936,000,000
9:00 a.m. 4,714,705,859,903,488,000,000

4,714,705,859,903,488,000,000 bacteria at 200 nanometers in size, (very small by the way) is 3,771,764,687,922,790.4 cubic meters of bacteria. From just one bacteria in 24 hours if nothing died. Now think of the seas...or what lives on your skin.

Check my math please.

Now if things that can't find food just going to some suspended state and don't reproduce, (like in the center of the mass), then growth would drop off substantially. But if the bacteria arranged themselves into a microbial mat, complete with micro-piping to distribute food and remove waste, well then it would still grow and reproduce.

Your error is that you are not accounting for the mass. Where do the building blocks of these organisms come from? They will be limited, as they cannot successfully digest another living organism. Just because everything in this silly hypothetical situation stops dying doesn't mean they are all suddenly bathed in a nutrient rich solution.

Yes, there would be strange growth patterns in some organisms; the world would be very strange for a little while. But once all chemical energy is depleted, everything would simply shut down, in a sleep like stasis. Its not that organisms just can't find any food, its that there would be little/none left.

All the math you want to show about exponential cell growth does not mean the cells have what they need to grow. Your logic fails before it even starts, and you run off in some random crazy direction with wild fantasies.

Stop claiming you won. You haven't won anything and it is rather childish. And what’s more, ironic, seeing as you are incorrect and are just creating random hypotheticals, and then failing to follow them through with reason. I'm done discussing anything with you shrox, your failure to approach a conversation with even a modicum of insight, reason, logic, or rationality leads me to believe you are either incapable of it, or are actively attempting to provoke a negative response. And I no longer care which it is.