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01 Jul 2021, 6:45 pm

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I don’t like illiberal ideology. Left or right.
Progressive illiberals calling for censorship of any criticism.
Using relational aggression to attack people outside of the ideology online and in the workplace.
Telling kids they are bad people for having the original sin of light skin.
Telling darker skinned children they are oppressed by a system they can’t see or feel.
This cannot be good for these children’s psychological development. Bitterness, resentment, paranoia come from these kinds of abuse.


The issue isn't being made aware of racism, the issue is that racism exists. Your blame is misdirected.


Of course raciest illiberal progressives exist, that’s the topic of this thread.


Tell me more about how calling out racism is the real racism. :chin:


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01 Jul 2021, 6:47 pm

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Benjamin Boyce interviewing Blaire White on the current state of trans issues and culture.


Blaire White might be trans, but she is transphobic. She has a long history of making fun of people who transition and don't pass enough to her standards. She was just fairly recently embroiled in a controversy where she attacked a transgender bodybuilder, saying that it was unfair for her to go into women's competitions, but never bothered to research that said bodybuilder has never entered female categories.

She is hardly a good defence on her own side, as she recently went on that Republican panel that mostly saw her get called a gateway to paedophilia or something. She couldn't defend her position on the Right other than acting as a Pick Me that would just be used as a token, at least as far as she is useful before people that will never accept her beyond removing her own rights.

She is a transmedicalist that has taken part in bullying of literal teenagers, especially those that don't conform to her idea of transgender, especially going after non-binary people. And frames her attacks against those she doesn't like by using poorly photoshopped images or pictures of drag queens to make her target look as ugly as possible.

Her opinions are at best worth just a look at someone who will push beliefs only as far as what will validate her, and then kick ladder down to make herself look more valid.


I have a question. What does transphobic mean?

Is it someone who is afraid of trans people? That seems like it would be a very rare phobia. If they saw an trans person on the street would they run and hide?

Considering all humans are analogue what is a binary person. Is that a computer term? Like an avatar, that would be a binary person made of ones and zeros. Maybe someone’s persona online could be considered a binary.
This is fascinating

Please understand that I am not trolling, I just don’t understand the lingo that you’re using. It seems like in-group signal speak, which I’m fascinated by.



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01 Jul 2021, 7:03 pm

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Blaire White might be trans, but she is transphobic. She has a long history of making fun of people who transition and don't pass enough to her standards. She was just fairly recently embroiled in a controversy where she attacked a transgender bodybuilder, saying that it was unfair for her to go into women's competitions, but never bothered to research that said bodybuilder has never entered female categories.

She is hardly a good defence on her own side, as she recently went on that Republican panel that mostly saw her get called a gateway to paedophilia or something. She couldn't defend her position on the Right other than acting as a Pick Me that would just be used as a token, at least as far as she is useful before people that will never accept her beyond removing her own rights.

She is a transmedicalist that has taken part in bullying of literal teenagers, especially those that don't conform to her idea of transgender, especially going after non-binary people. And frames her attacks against those she doesn't like by using poorly photoshopped images or pictures of drag queens to make her target look as ugly as possible.

Her opinions are at best worth just a look at someone who will push beliefs only as far as what will validate her, and then kick ladder down to make herself look more valid.

TY. I haven't seen much of the above in the videos I've watched thus far but I'll keep it in mind.


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Autistics generally have more difficulty with change than NT’s. So it makes it convenient to dismiss an autistic person’s objection to certain changes as just his autism, similar to how it is convenient to dismiss a baby boomers objection to change as he or she is just too old to get it. .


I don't have a copy of the ABC program QANDA to share otherwise you could listen to Jayden Evans share his thoughts. He was extremely eloquent. It might be on Youtube.

What you are referring to and what Jayden commented on are not the same.

Jayden and I share a common interest in the truth. However Jayden avoids political discourse which I suspect is shared by the other 70,000 members of WP who don't discuss politics on this forum (but may read our posts). I on the other hand have no problem sharing how left wing ideology has some confluence or overlap with my values. But I'm NT and we tend to be hardwired to pick a side in modern social structures.

But back to Jayden, He also said he is not interested in conservative politics either. The anti-woke movement is not driven by altruistic benevolent people. They are driven by people who feel their right to maintain the unequal power structure with the majority on top and minorities knowing their place..

People like Jayden and myself are driven by humanitarian values (Jayden works with autistic kids). The anti-woke people who campaign against social justice (especially when it involves people saying offensive things against minorities on twitter) are driven by a need to maintain unequal social structures.

I don't believe for a minute when I hear conservative white parents, Fox news or MAGAs claim to follow MLK's philosophy. It reminds me of the Karens caught on camera making some excuse like "I have a black friend".

Anyway to put a positive spin. Autistic people who consider themselves socially conservative need to still be able to cut through the BS. Whether that be from the left or the right. It's not healthy to cling to ideology to justify something that's a lie e.g. CRT is a BLM conspiracy or the 2020 election involved voter fraud, Obama was born in Kenya, Hillary Clinton leads a pedophile ring or Donald Trump will rise from the ashes and be back in power next week.



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01 Jul 2021, 7:15 pm

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I have a question. What does transphobic mean?

Is it someone who is afraid of trans people? That seems like it would be a very rare phobia. If they saw an trans person on the street would they run and hide?


Transphobic can mean a fear of trans people, but it can also colloquially refer to people who try to drum up fear of trans people. Like people who say that trans women are going to attack cis women in bathrooms. In some places there are still things like the "trans panic defence" being viable, where people can defend themselves from committing violence against a trans person when they might have found out that they were transgender. It might not be used as the same type of fear as other "phobia" terms, but still very much about fear.

It fits Blaire White because she really spends most of her platform to create or validate fears towards at least certain kinds of transgender people.


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Considering all humans are analogue what is a binary person. Is that a computer term? Like an avatar, that would be a binary person made of ones and zeros. Maybe someone’s persona online could be considered a binary.
This is fascinating

Please understand that I am not trolling, I just don’t understand the lingo that you’re using. It seems like in-group signal speak, which I’m fascinated by.


Binary means two, and in regards to people in this context is about the binary of male and female; people who identify as man/boy or woman/girl. It has very little to do with binary code ones and zeroes, and computers. But there are a good chunk of people that don't identify within that binary of gender, so we have a non-binary gender. I believe gender is a spectrum anyway, but understand that most people are comfortable identifying within two categories.

Thank you for your curiosity, outside of it looking like in-group speak. I can explain things more in depth, it is true that most people may not understand the terms that are in common usage elsewhere. As evidenced by people who can arguing against they/them pronouns.


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01 Jul 2021, 7:15 pm

funeralxempire wrote:
boden wrote:
funeralxempire wrote:
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I don’t like illiberal ideology. Left or right.
Progressive illiberals calling for censorship of any criticism.
Using relational aggression to attack people outside of the ideology online and in the workplace.
Telling kids they are bad people for having the original sin of light skin.
Telling darker skinned children they are oppressed by a system they can’t see or feel.
This cannot be good for these children’s psychological development. Bitterness, resentment, paranoia come from these kinds of abuse.


The issue isn't being made aware of racism, the issue is that racism exists. Your blame is misdirected.


Of course raciest illiberal progressives exist, that’s the topic of this thread.


Tell me more about how calling out racism is the real racism. :chin:

I’m not saying “calling out racism is the real racism”. At all
You completely misunderstand my thoughts.
I completely agree that all those bad things happened in the past and still happen in a few places.
They should be dealt with appropriately.
Everyone should have the same rights, everybody should have the same quality of education through high school.
That way, should they choose to go to college they’ll all be on a level playing field.

Telling people there are racists everywhere when in reality racist are extremely rare is fear mongering.
Telling children they’re oppressed when they’re really not is abusive.
Telling children that the sins of long dead people rest on their backs is abusive.

Only in places like North Korea are the sins of the elders imposed on the children.

I’m not against fighting injustice. It’s the implementation that has gone horribly wrong.
Illiberal progressives are very misinformed by an entire industry of race baiting fear merchants.
I’m a science aspie, I’ve looked through the literature within critical race theory, it is entirely based on idea laundered hypotheses, nothing is tested. There’s more academic fraud going on in the humanities right now than I ever imagined possible.



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01 Jul 2021, 7:21 pm

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I’ve looked through the literature within critical race theory, it is entirely based on idea laundered hypotheses, nothing is tested. There’s more academic fraud going on in the humanities right now than I ever imagined possible.


Are you suggesting the educators with PhDs and titles of "professor" against their names who are actual authorities and published in peer reviewed journals "race baiting fear merchants"??

The objection against CRT in the education curriculum in some red states has no basis in academia. It's 100% politics. I have said hundreds of times before that politicians (especially right wing ones) should keep their dirty fingers out of education.



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Telling people there are racists everywhere when in reality racist are extremely rare is fear mongering.
Telling children they’re oppressed when they’re really not is abusive.
Telling children that the sins of long dead people rest on their backs is abusive.


That's not actually occurring, that's why I'm treating your argument the way I am. It's been made many times before here and it doesn't hold any more water today than the last time it was made.

Gaslighting on the topic of racism like you're doing doesn't contribute to addressing the issue. Downplaying the prevalence of racism and trying to dismiss claims as though they're somehow the result of brainwashing instead of people recognizing it when they experience it is insulting but not at all persuasive.


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01 Jul 2021, 7:32 pm

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Telling people there are racists everywhere when in reality racist are extremely rare is fear mongering.
Telling children they’re oppressed when they’re really not is abusive.
Telling children that the sins of long dead people rest on their backs is abusive.


Where are children being taught that they are oppressed, or that sins of long dead people rest on their back? Critical race theory is not even taught to children.

But in the face of that, parents of black children have to tell them that they have to be especially careful around the police because they are likely to get shot or something. There is a huge amount of evidence that police are more likely to react in fear of people of certain races and see them as a threat. And this fear can be a part of other biases, whether intentional or to some level subconscious.

Is racism really rare when violence against Asian people just recently shot up following the Corona Virus epidemic. You even had certain people trying to call it things like the "Chinese Virus" or "Kung Flu".


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01 Jul 2021, 7:34 pm

Bradleigh wrote:
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I have a question. What does transphobic mean?

Is it someone who is afraid of trans people? That seems like it would be a very rare phobia. If they saw an trans person on the street would they run and hide?


Transphobic can mean a fear of trans people, but it can also colloquially refer to people who try to drum up fear of trans people. Like people who say that trans women are going to attack cis women in bathrooms. In some places there are still things like the "trans panic defence" being viable, where people can defend themselves from committing violence against a trans person when they might have found out that they were transgender. It might not be used as the same type of fear as other "phobia" terms, but still very much about fear.

It fits Blaire White because she really spends most of her platform to create or validate fears towards at least certain kinds of transgender people.


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Considering all humans are analogue what is a binary person. Is that a computer term? Like an avatar, that would be a binary person made of ones and zeros. Maybe someone’s persona online could be considered a binary.
This is fascinating

Please understand that I am not trolling, I just don’t understand the lingo that you’re using. It seems like in-group signal speak, which I’m fascinated by.


Binary means two, and in regards to people in this context is about the binary of male and female; people who identify as man/boy or woman/girl. It has very little to do with binary code ones and zeroes, and computers. But there are a good chunk of people that don't identify within that binary of gender, so we have a non-binary gender. I believe gender is a spectrum anyway, but understand that most people are comfortable identifying within two categories.

Thank you for your curiosity, outside of it looking like in-group speak. I can explain things more in depth, it is true that most people may not understand the terms that are in common usage elsewhere. As evidenced by people who can arguing against they/them pronouns.


Thanks, I can’t imagine being afraid of anyone because of their sexual preferences, appearance or their dress style or whatever else. I was assigned to mentor the first ever openly trans person to go through West Virginia University. She still one of my favorite people. In the army for 30 years and decided she wanted to feel free, it was wonderful.

Maybe it’s because I’m a face-blind aspie, I see every person as an individual on a spectrum from masculine to feminine from hypersexual to nonsexual from light orange to dark orange, I can’t see the distinctions that normal people put on each other. Probably because I’ve never met two people that were the same, not even twins.

The concept of gender still makes no sense to me. I think it means preference. Probably just too vague.



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01 Jul 2021, 7:47 pm

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Thanks, I can’t imagine being afraid of anyone because of their sexual preferences, appearance or their dress style or whatever else. I was assigned to mentor the first ever openly trans person to go through West Virginia University. She still one of my favorite people. In the army for 30 years and decided she wanted to feel free, it was wonderful.

Maybe it’s because I’m a face-blind aspie, I see every person as an individual on a spectrum from masculine to feminine from hypersexual to nonsexual from light orange to dark orange, I can’t see the distinctions that normal people put on each other. Probably because I’ve never met two people that were the same, not even twins.

The concept of gender still makes no sense to me. I think it means preference. Probably just too vague.


Well, masculine and feminine are not really the same as gender. You can have feminine men, masculine women, and enbies (NB) do not have to be androgynous.

Presumably you are comfortable being seen as a man, and feel like a man? That is gender.

Some people just don't feel like that, they are not comfortable being seen as a man or woman, or perhaps shift between them depending on how the feel. It shouldn't need to be a thing where it gets seen as just "woke".


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01 Jul 2021, 7:53 pm

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Telling people there are racists everywhere when in reality racist are extremely rare is fear mongering.
Telling children they’re oppressed when they’re really not is abusive.
Telling children that the sins of long dead people rest on their backs is abusive.


Where are children being taught that they are oppressed, or that sins of long dead people rest on their back? Critical race theory is not even taught to children.

But in the face of that, parents of black children have to tell them that they have to be especially careful around the police because they are likely to get shot or something. There is a huge amount of evidence that police are more likely to react in fear of people of certain races and see them as a threat. And this fear can be a part of other biases, whether intentional or to some level subconscious.

Is racism really rare when violence against Asian people just recently shot up following the Corona Virus epidemic. You even had certain people trying to call it things like the "Chinese Virus" or "Kung Flu".


They are teaching it in the county I went to high school in that’s Loudoun County Virginia, teaching it in most of the counties around Portland, teaching it to the elementary school kids in Seattle. Those are the only ones that I’ve directly observed. I have seen the teaching guide for the Seattle school district and it’s downright creepy. It’s not difficult to find using google.

Poor children tend to be the victims of all sorts of brutality and it’s tragic. I say poor versus black because I know a lot of black kids from wealthy families who are never at any risk of police brutality. We have a serious problem with how policing is done in this country. The police need a lot more training and a lot more support from counselors so they don’t have those knee-jerk reactions where the amygdala takes over and basic tribal nonsense kicks in.

Scared people do lash out when confronted with an existential threat like the virus. Knowing that it came from China maybe simple people somehow think that being mean to an Asian person will comfort them. I don’t know why people act that way when confronted with an existential threat, it’s almost like a temporary psychosis.

I’ve seen people say hateful things in a moment of fear only to realize later what an ass they had been. Humans are complex.



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I say poor versus black because I know a lot of black kids from wealthy families who are never at any risk of police brutality.


Does being rich prevent one from being racially profiled? :chin:


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Thanks, I can’t imagine being afraid of anyone because of their sexual preferences, appearance or their dress style or whatever else. I was assigned to mentor the first ever openly trans person to go through West Virginia University. She still one of my favorite people. In the army for 30 years and decided she wanted to feel free, it was wonderful.

Maybe it’s because I’m a face-blind aspie, I see every person as an individual on a spectrum from masculine to feminine from hypersexual to nonsexual from light orange to dark orange, I can’t see the distinctions that normal people put on each other. Probably because I’ve never met two people that were the same, not even twins.

The concept of gender still makes no sense to me. I think it means preference. Probably just too vague.


Well, masculine and feminine are not really the same as gender. You can have feminine men, masculine women, and enbies (NB) do not have to be androgynous.

Presumably you are comfortable being seen as a man, and feel like a man? That is gender.

Some people just don't feel like that, they are not comfortable being seen as a man or woman, or perhaps shift between them depending on how the feel. It shouldn't need to be a thing where it gets seen as just "woke".


I have no idea what a label feels like. I feel like myself.

Saying “I feel like a man” doesn’t make sense to me because everyone’s different. It’s a meaningless statement.
This is what I don’t get, people are uncomfortable being labeled which makes sense because the label is the binary part, people are analog, even calling yourself a non-binary is a label that then associates you with another theoretical group.

I guess it’s self labeling versus outgroup labeling

Take care everyone. Thank you for helping me to understand a little better. I’m going out to play now.



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I say poor versus black because I know a lot of black kids from wealthy families who are never at any risk of police brutality.


Does being rich prevent one from being racially profiled? :chin:


Apparently not
https://money.cnn.com/2016/07/14/news/e ... index.html



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I say poor versus black because I know a lot of black kids from wealthy families who are never at any risk of police brutality.


Does being rich prevent one from being racially profiled? :chin:


Apparently not
https://money.cnn.com/2016/07/14/news/e ... index.html


Of course not, that's kind of an example of the gaslighting in regards to racism I was describing. People engage in that, likely because they don't actually know better and then often pivot towards being offended when they're confronted on it.


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