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Well it's an issue of reality..

We no longer live in a society where people actually produce tangible things they can see..for the most part...

What this means is society must change to accommodate this difference for it to survive..

Full stop...

There is no other option..

And with a society that is long since past the agricultural age..and the industrial age..

The product now..is mostly exchange of information..even when it comes to checking oneself out of the grocery store..

The machines are doing the production and the human beings..are benefitting from an easier way of life..

The good news is really..there is enough money to go around..as long as the government does not continue to give free handouts..to those who are making substantial good livings..by the way of welfare tax credits..that are simply proven more over than anything else..to simply pad their bank accounts..without actually adding any thing of real substance to the economy..

The nations infrastructure is failing overall..The way to prosperity..is through government supported work programs to make the country stronger...

There is already welfare for all in the way of tax credits..

I cannot remember the last time I paid federal income tax..but I pour thousands of dollars back into private industry every week...

I can easily pay more taxes if I needed to simply because I live within my means and keep a car or a house two decades or more...

But quite frankly the government has been giving me free unfunded tax credits..for over a decade now..and I have invested them wisely..and now private industry finally gets the benefit of my wise investments...

The problem is simple...the taxes are way too low..

The politicians have simply mortgaged the long term stability and welfare of all it's citizens..to make intelligent middle class folks like me who spend their lives serving others in government service..rich in effect for their entire life..

That's the best way things work..secure jobs..clearly defined social roles..and basically a frigging way to make a living for the majority of the population..not just the successful businesses..as the majority of people are simply not genetically cut out to run a business..

Most people in effect..are support players..not captains of industry..

So with a nomadic society..now with little definition for social roles..OR potential for job security or even an idea what most young people can even do in life to for subsistence to survive..there simply has to be a large social safety net for the country to survive..and not fall into eventual third world status..

Your business will be LIKELY BE completely worthless if that happens..

If you do expanded research to view this picture from a big world view..you will likely plainly see that what you wish..if coming true..could be your ultimate nightmare..as if you lose your business..you could be begging in the streets..just like the homeless folks...that you may not think deserve help from government assistance...for basic subsistence..

It does not appear you are willing to see this..and that of course is okay..

There is really nothing you can do in REALITY
..against people who are going to ensure this country survives..by supporting the fellow citizens..with government support as reasonably required for basic subsistence and a peaceful society..not one of social anarchy..that WILL HAPPEN..IF A SUBSTANTIAL NUMBER OF PEOPLE HAVE NO WAY FOR SUBSISTENCE..

HUMANS WILL KILL TO EAT..THAT IS A PROVEN EXPERIENCE TIME AND TIME AGAIN..IN ALL COUNTRIES..THAT LIVE IN A 3RD WORLD ENVIRONMENT..
..AND IF YOU HAPPEN TO BE IN THEIR PATH..no matter how advanced you may think your ways of life are..THEY WILL NOT STOP THE POTENTIAL SPEEDING BULLET..from arriving to it's destination....

Seriously our country overall is a country of spoiled brats..who have never encountered the social anarchy of governments and countries that do not take care of their citizenry..it's not like an orchestrated war..when this happens..IT IS COMPLETE CHAOS.. that is all..

Trust me ..and I think you should Know by now from being a combat veteran..you don't want to see this happen on our soil..friend..

And yes..if you get the wish ..that WILL BE YOUR EXPERIENCE..MOST LIKELY.. AND EVERYONE ESLE'S IN THE STATES PARTICIPATING IN THIS DISCUSSION...

Last edited by aghogday on 05 Nov 2013, 3:01 pm, edited 1 time in total.

Obama saying he didn't promise that you could keep your doctor and health insurance now.

Unfortunately for Obama...

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wfl55GgHr5E[/youtube]

the man is a pathological liar

Notions of the free market making everything in the long term better for everyone is a pie-in-the sky fantasy. The short term hurt on the needy would eventually become the long term, with no help in sight. The market isn't an all knowing god that's looking out for the good of all. Nor does it just naturally do good things for people. It has never done anything but to make life for the have-nots miserable, till the people say enough. Privatization has never done anything but to keep services beyond the reach of not only the needy, but also the many in general.

Okay....

I apologise for taking you seriously. It won't happen again.

That is simply an issue of semantics..

Plans that are worth keeping,, not plans that will not support individuals fully enough with health problems not to land them on a door stop of a hospital still needing free care...

It cannot and will not work like that in the long run...
Now getting people to change their habits to join a health care plan no matter how cheap if they are healthy is a real challenge..

I would forecast that the toothless penalties today for not joining in ..Will increase greatly in the coming years..

The stick is just not big enough now..but political realities are real..Sometimes bending expectations are required to get things done..

Where ever the bureaucracy of government is in play...

A promise by a politician is only good as the full understanding of the semantics at play..

Words in the English language usually have at least one entirely different message..if 'played' as such...

Politicians must play this game to compete..IT IS THE WAY THE GAME IS PLAYED..

THERE IS NO CHANGING THAT FACT OF POLITICS REGARDLESS OF WHO IS AT THE TOP....

It's not semantics, it is lies. Obama straight up lied when he said that 'if you like your doctor and your health insurance, you can keep them period.' Not you can keep your plan if it fits these specific criteria, ' you can keep your plan,period.' It's about as clear as cut as there is. He lied and he knew he was lying at the time to, they forced this law on the American people against their will and lied to do it.

Are you really surprised that a politician lied to you? It seems to be standard practice regardless of political affiliation.

Te fault lies with the insurance companies that have been throwing people off their programs since the ACA came into effect., not the President.

for those having troubles applying on the federal website healthcare.gov, here is the ObamaCare! Sign-up by phone: 1-800-318-2596

Sorry guy..people who need insurance are really happy about this...

Sorry you are not happy for them..but I am..as my sister is one of those folks who can retire now from her job thanks to the real hero that Obama..is for those individuals really in need...

If you don't need it..good for you..but some people are definitely in dire need for it...

There are no statements by politicians ever guaranteed to go the way they are initially put...

That's not @all unusual..so it's kind of silly in my estimation to put Obama above any other politician when it comes to that political reality that no politician is immune to..REality changes..and promises cannot always be met anyway...

So really what I am saying here is that is not at all a big deal..as it is par for the course for most politicians and a given understanding about politics even among people in the general population...

Now you are the liar. It's not like Republicans supported the ACA at all anyway. Realizing some plans would become illegal wouldn't have changed their minds at all. But keep harping on this talking point, it's what substitutes for thinking among the right.

It's actually true, it's as aspect of the class struggle which has defined human society since feudalism. Income inequality is an indicator of social stability. And you can't have a consumer society without a middle class. There is an informal cabal of rich elites who are currently conspiring to eliminate restrictions on money in politics. They write the legislation and give it to their own handpicked zealots in congress for them to pass. They want to be able to steal and exploit the people of the world for their own greedy ends.

Nonsense. The law passed narrowly as it did, the Democrats had trouble passing it thru their own caucus. I very much doubt those swing votes would of been convinced without the lies. Most of the dumbies that voted for the law didn't even know what was in it, you had Nancy Pelosi saying we had to pass the bill to find out whats in it. The entire thing is built on lies, the American people didn't want it with the lies.

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As a matter of fact, most Americans who opposed the ACA's passage had thought it hadn't gone far enough. And now, it's gaining popularity as more and more Americans know they can rest easily now knowing they will have health coverage.

a century is a long-enough wait, that is how long the righties have "kicked this can down the road."