Column: Larry Elder is the Black face of white supremacy.

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Voter fraud is the modus operandi of the Democrats. Vote early and vote often as they used to say.

I don't know where you get your info but, Clarence Thomas, Ben Carson, Condaleeza Rice have all been vilified and reviled by the left and called traitors to their race.
So Mr Elder does not agree with the Left's take on race in America? How does that invalidate him as a candidate for office? Why does every black person have to hold the Leftist approved political ideology in order to be authentically black?

Only in the fevered political scheming of the right.

Neither of those assumptions are valid. My understanding is that Carson, Thomas, Rice and Powell are active in the African American community, That's validation enough isn't it? I am not sure who you are referring to as "the left"? most black Americans are socially conservative, anti-gay, pro-American, pro-gun and religious. The only issue they have common interests (as a community) with white liberals is over civil rights.

I don't see African Americans marching for global warming, conservation, the environment, LGBTQI rights, gun control, abortion laws, veganism or other pet liberal issues. They only vote democrat because they don't want to be ruled by racists. Simple.

People like Larry Elder, Candace Owens etc are making lots and lots of money from powerful rich conservative billionaires spending 24-7 attacking black civil rights issues in all forms. That's literally their job Neither of them are associated with the black community as they are social pariahs but they are now rich social pariahs.

The same formula works for Tucker Carlson. Ben Shapiro, Lauren Southern, Steve Bannon who dont build anything or construct, their sole purpose is toxic attacks on progressives 24-7.

There's younger popular podcasters breaking through like Lauren Chen who spends 9/10 of her content attacking black movements in the US with her white conservative boyfriend. Lauren Chen is fake when she talks about issues like CRT, she is tapping into popular racism in the US that has nothing to do with her (She is Canadian and Chinese), They are simply applying a formula tha works in getting an audience that brings in a healthy income to their patreon page.

I'm going back to my initial comment; when "white supremacist" is the go to insult for a black guy, it might be time to reevaluate the value of the term. Just saying.

The "left" here in the US does NOT have an opinion on whose actions do or don't qualify as "black" (under any definition). Select individuals that identify with the left might, but there is no consensus on it nor any attempt to reach one. Liberals don't generally feel that such a characterization would be appropriate for "us," as political party members, to decide. Some people may blunder, but it would not be accurate to take those blunders as belonging to the left as a group. What the "left" does have an opinion on is what policies do and don't help resolve the issues that face people of color in this country. Politicians and pundits who argue against those policies or positions will be seen as harming the interests of people of color.

Sadly, far too many people in the US, regardless of politics, are still racist. Sadly, far too many people in the US, regardless of politics, are overly angry and inappropriately willing to physically attack political candidates. Sadly, far too many people in the US, regardless of the side of the isle they sit on, just want to behave badly.

There is no bigger meaning behind their actions, and those actions are not sanctioned by other people who otherwise share a political opinion or two.

Could have fooled me, and let's be real here, I don't think you really have the political engagement to make that kind of sweeping statement about the attitude of the left at large. Do you not recall a certain winning presidential candidate literally saying "if you don't vote for me, you ain't black"? It's not an uncommon sentiment, as has been demonstrated repeatedly right here, and I can tell you after a lifetime spent among the progressives (recall I attended an alternative school run by ex hippies and my friend groups is largely drawn from the political left), the belief that conservative minorities are race traitors is widespread and quite blatant.



An opinion that is very contestable, and often is, only to have those critiques slammed as bigotry, and those making them as racists, even when said critiques come from minorities themselves. Who appointed the left as the judge as to what policies do and do not best benefit the minority communities they claim to want to help (but turn on a dime to denounce when they step out of line)?



Is this an actual two way street, or is it different when your side does it? I want you to think really hard about your own responses here recently before you reply; can you honestly say you've been treating the blatant left wing racism in this thread the same as you would had it come from the MAGA crowd? Do you think the mods here would have used such a light touch in that case?

I should have quoted it, because I was responding to this comment from Mr. Reynholm, and cyberdad's attempt to address it:

"Why does every black person have to hold the Leftist approved political ideology in order to be authentically black?"

Obviously we are all limited by our sources and circles, but I have a very liberal circle (including a progressive congressman) and follow some relatively strong activists. The liberal position that I hear consistently, overall, is that none of us have the right to tell anyone else if they are or aren't authentically black. I am seeing a concerted effort underway to educate anyone who tries to make such characterizations on how and why it isn't appropriate. Part of my writing here was to reinforce that concept: anyone who is trying to make such characterizations, shouldn't be (with the limited exception of people who self-identify in conceptual entirety with a group a derogatory term is supposed to represent; anyone saying "you are exactly like me"). I was trying to word in recognition that I knew it had/has been a problem, but that the "left" sees it, and no longer broadly accepts it, but I can see that I kind of left off that timeline recognition, jumping straight into where liberals are today.

Biden's comment can be taken one or both of two ways: as a statement on policy, ie that the Republican party is actively supporting policies that go against the issues facing black voters, or a simple blunder. It was a head shaking moment to everyone I know. He should not have said it; I haven't seen many people arguing otherwise.



Complicated question, and my answer, I know, is overly simplistic. When one party wants to argue problems don't exist, and make no serious attempt to address them, how can it be said they are on the side of the people experiencing harm? I get that there are valid policy differences on how to address problems, but there is a reason the vast majority of people of color vote Democrat despite some strong disagreements with Democratic party ideas and hubris. The thought leaders I follow feel Democrats take the loyalty for granted, have a tendency to virtue signal, and have favored some paternalistic / insulting policies, but they tend to feel gaslighted by the right, and denied the reality of their own experiences. Not to mention the blatant voter suppression efforts aimed at communities of color that are currently being enacted into laws by some red states.



I pay more attention to the conservative arguments than the liberal ones on here. If a post supporting an idea I believe in feels off point to me at the start, I skip it. There is nothing to debate or dissect; it just feels irrelevant to me. It would go to reason then, that I may not have read all the same racism you see, and the net effect is I come off easier on the left.

It is also likely that I may be less tuned into the racism hiding inside some traditionally liberal talking points. For example, I didn't know what "virtue signalling" was, or that it can be offensive, until last year.

I try hard to not accuse anyone of racism, but might point out that a specific comment or belief is racist. No one can improve if no one ever tells them. It isn't meant to be a judgement; it's meant to be an opportunity to view things from a different angle. A challenge. If I didn't believe in the desire of people to get to whatever the "right" place is, I would never say anything at all. I appreciate your willingness to do the same back.

I have posted on here that I think we are ALL still on our own personal journey to understand how we have contributed to or allowed racism to continue. I don't know if any of us have the bandwidth to ever see the full picture from all perspectives. I try to see why different people feel as they do, but I'm limited, as you noted.

This is precisely correct, but! the online brand of right wing podcasters and their MAGA/QAnon sycophant allies all claim blacks are being brainwashed by liberals to believe that if they don't vote democrat they don't deserve to be black. I can';t find a single example of a white liberal saying that, all I find are black people who attack the likes of Larry Elder.

Right wing whites are literally the only ones claiming blacks can't think for themselves.

No. It has been proven historically and very recently. Its how we got old Chowder brain Joe in office.

selective proof?

Strongly disagree.

Proof is something that can stand up in a court of law.

Of dozens of legal claims filed by Trump and allies, I believe only one was considered to meet the standard of “proof” needed just to be considered in court, much less affirmed. That one item wasn’t material enough to change anything.

They would have gone to court with their strongest arguments.

Even judges appointed by Trump shot all those arguments down as completely lacking substance.

So. What do you know that Trump’s lawyers, and all the judges reviewing their claims, do not?

"Literally", huh? Care to qualify that, as a single counter example would serve to pants you in public again?

According to who? That ludicrous old fraud, the Pillow Guy? Or that obviously schizophrenic person who said he figured out Trump won by reading between the lines of The Hitchhiker's Guide To The Galaxy?
If you've got proof other than the assertions of obvious liars or the insane, let's see you present it.

This seems to be the ridiculous political binary in America.
I have never seen the like before.

Partisanship has always been around, but this mentally deranged *hyperpartisanship* is hilarious.

Yes, yes, we know.
"All Democrats are angels, and all Republicans are the devil incarnate."

I mean, seriously?

Voter fraud is a thing. It is a given.
The real question is, did it change the election results?
I have no idea.

But what I do know is the American voting system has to be improved.