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I'd say there is when even atheist ex-Muslims are smeared as Islamists.

Like, there's a level of valid concern about the potential for Islamism to become a political threat in countries where it historically hasn't been a factor, and there's even more so a level appropriate for countries where it is established as a factor, but I think you underestimate the hysterical aspect of western conservative Islamophobia.

Not to mention the hypocrisy when it's coming from Talivangical types who want basically the same thing only Christian coded.

^ Islamists are equally, if not more, hypocritical when it comes to radicals of other religions.

"One day, we will liberate the Al Andalus!" They say (Re-coquering Spain).

Their (the Spanish) whole national identity seems based on having defeated Judaism and Islam.

BTW there is no commandment in Christianity to eat pork, but apparently St. Paul suggested as much in one of his epistles. In Spain, it is a tradition to visibly display a ham in your house. It seems this came about as a way to prove you aren't secretly practicing Judaism or Islam.

It seems worth mentioning that Islam and Christianity both have the tradition of spreading their religion by the sword. Judaism hasn't done that since some time before the Roman conquest of what we now call Palestine. Judaism is perhaps most noteworthy for resistance to conversion.

It's well known that Fran Drescher feels close to Israel, i.e. she's a Zionist. It was never improper for her show to include dialog that reflects that point of view. It only becomes a problem if you prejudge Zionism to be an evil concept equivalent to Naziism, which, although not antisemitism per se, is nevertheless a stance often taken by antisemites to sugarcoat their real agenda.

This is equivalent to claiming for whatever reason that Mexico is an evil country, so the George Lopez show is propaganda because it has a message sympathetic to Mexico.

Like Fran Drescher and her character are Jewish, and her show is evil because it communicates a positive message about Israel, a Jewish country.

The dog will never catch its tail.

I agree with everything you're saying. You know it's funny, I've witnessed other actual ex-muslims on places like Reddit and Facebook say exactly what you're saying about Islam being a terrible religion that violates basic human rights and that being the reason why they no longer identify with Islam. But their voices are always drowned out by leftists who engage in whataboutism by openly hating Christianity and Judiasm and treating Islam like it's off limits to any criticism, even from people who were raised within the religion itself.

Agreed 100%. That's precisely why, in my opinion, the line between antisemitism and antizionism is a blurry one. And the "I'm only ANTI-ZIONIST!" defense doesnt work with everyone who sympathizes with Judiasm.

It's like when a racist tries to hide their own bigotry by claiming that some of their "friends" are black.

People have every right to speak positively of Israel.

And other people have every right to criticize that speech as propaganda intended to distract from Israel's history as a colonial project founded via terrorism and as a state that engages in some of the worst human rights abuses ever documented.

Being Jewish doesn't mean one has to support evil. Many Jews are rightly critical of Israel.

You're basically complaining that a spade is being labelled a spade. As long as Israel continues to engage in ethnic cleansing, purposely target civilians, engage in sexual abuse and torture of detainees, etc, Israel will continue to deserve condemnation.

If people wish to peddle a sugarcoated image of Israel, they should expect to have that called out as propaganda. The sincerity of their adoration for Israel doesn't make it cease to be propaganda.

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One engages in antisemitism when they insist on conflating modern Israel with Judaism and the Jewish people as a whole.

The Israeli state and it's interests are not synonymous with Jewish interests, nor with the interests of Jewish people as individuals. Many Jews are strongly critical of Israel and the Zionist movement with both secular and religious reasons for that criticism.

I agree that some antisemites also embrace antizionism, sometimes even primarily in order to peddle antisemitic ideas to antizionists. That said, antisemitism is also quite common among Christian Zionists who largely view Israel as a way to achieve the end times, which in their mind includes the Jews being punished for rejecting Christ.

Many Zionists seem to use tactics to blur the line and conflate modern Israel with Judaism and the Jewish people so that they can accuse people of being anti-semitic.

Maybe because some of those people actually ARE being antisemitic, even if they don't realize it?

When did condemning genocide, colonialism and war crimes become antisemitic?
Are some people more entitled to steal land and build an ethnostate on it than others?

It isn't less morally reprehensible just because the perpetrators have declared themselves 'YHWH's chosen people', not to mention the hypocrisy of a bunch of non-believers like Herzl using religion as their justification.

When certain people use these accusations to claim that all Jews support these these things because it's allegedly in their own religious texts. And while I don't deny that Israel is engaging in these actual war crimes and being aided by the MAGA sociopaths jacking off to Donald Trump's ugly face in my own country, the fact is that Jewish folk have been accused of being evil, murdering and betraying Jesus, and secretly "controlling the world" to serve their own 'self-serving' interests by literally everyone on the planet for hundreds of years. The persecution of Jews has been the oldest form of persecution to exist in the whole world, and regardless of what bad sh!t Israel has been doing I just don't think that the world which has historically always betrayed Jewish people has the right to pass such extreme judgement on them in such a hypocritical matter. There's plenty of other nations out there commiting genocide and war crimes on other ethnic groups as we speak like China with the Uyghurs, Russia with the Ukranians, etc and yet they're not recieving anywhere near the amount of hatred and backlash that Israel, a JEWISH nation, is recieving from the world (again the same world that has ALWAYS rejected Jews right to even exist).

Oh and btw, you mocking their religious belief about being "God's Chosen People" is exactly what I'm talking about in regards to the left's antisemitism. Like the rest of us non-Jews you don't seem to have a full understanding of what that means in their religion. It doesnt mean they believe they're better than all gentiles and have the right to do whatever they want. It means that their God gave them a special responsibility to uphold their faith and protect their own culture, a faith that they don't enforce on non-believers the way that Christians and Communist-supporting Atheists seem to want to do to the redt of the world.

Being "God's Chosen" in their eyes is seen as a huge responsability with tight restrictions on what Jews can and can't do, not some kind of special privilege that makes them superior to gentiles. That sort of misunderstanding is why Jews are so unfairly hated. And THAT is anti-semitism in a nutshell. Which is what you and the rest of the left seem to be widely enganging in, at least in my opinion.[/quote]



Gee, I dunno my Canadian neighbor. How are the indiginous natives in your part of the Americas holding up what with their lands having been stolen for resources and their children being sent off to those indian boarding schools to be found dead in mass graves on school grounds?

Forgive my snarky response if I don't believe people like us who are descended from the evils of colonialism and still benefit from it to this day have the right to cast stones and project our own sins onto a nation that is colonized by the people who have been treated like garbage by the rest of the world for centuries. [/Quote]



Again, statements like this are why I firmly believe that the left is driven largely by antisemitism no matter how many times they use the "anti-Zionist" defense. Mocking the "God's Chosen People" thing with little to no understanding of what that really means just reeks of petty jealousy over a widely misunderstood religion and culture that has been subjected to ethno-cleansing, persecution, and genocide themselves.

I'll put it like this. You hate what Israel is doing right now? Then maybe OUR world shouldnt have created and contributed to that problem in the first place!

I'm going to go through your claims point by point.

I have never once claimed that all Jews support the Zionists genocidal actions, in fact I'm very consistent in reminding people that many of the most outspoken antizionists are Jewish.



This sure sounds like you're insisting because the Jewish people have sometimes been victims of mistreatment that this somehow justifies the misdeeds of the Zionist movement.

Please explain how this entitles the Zionist movement to victimize Palestinians.




You're just repeating bad faith arguments that have already been addressed recently:






How dare a ridiculous claim be subjected to ridicule.

Further, I'd suggest you watch some of Corey Gil-Shuster's street interviews with Israelis before you try to argue they don't view themselves as superior to the non-chosen.





Bro, I'm First Nations. You're trying to use something that was done to my ancestors to delegitimize my criticism of another group of people doing similar to the Palestinians.

How dare I sympathize with the victims of colonialism despite my own family also being harmed by similar colonial practice.

Do you even hear yourself? I can forgive your snarkiness (as I consistently have in the time I've known you), it's your ignorance that I take issue with.



None of that amounts to a justification of Israel's ethnic cleansing. It's a poor attempt at attacking the messenger because I've ridiculed the ridiculous.



And some nihilistic dogshit to wrap things up with because how dare anyone take a principled stand in a world where bad things happen.

Ok so I was mistaken about your ethnicity. My bad.

But I don't think I'm wrong in every other point I have been trying to make.

Most of your points are ones that Zionist talking heads have moved on from because of how thoroughly they've been discredited in recent years.

It seems like you only have a superficial understanding of the situation (likely because you have a life beyond bickering online) and as a result aren't familiar with what lines of reasoning have lost credibility or where the discussion has already moved on due to that loss of credibility and persuasiveness.

But, I'd really appreciate if you could address the following:

Please explain how historic mistreatment of Jews entitles the Zionist movement to victimize Palestinians.

Please explain how other people being mistreated by other political entities excuses Israel's actions.
Unrelated wrongs don't make a right after all.

Please explain how mocking ridiculous religious claims amounts to hating an ethnic group, especially when the ridicule of religion isn't limited to a single religion associated with that ethnic group.

Please point out where I've used Jews and Zionists synonymously, despite a long history of pointing out that they are not synonyms and that most Zionists aren't Jewish anyway.

If you can't support those lines of reasoning than your other points have also failed to hold water.

Sure what the heck? I'll take the bait.

I never claimed it does, in fact if you had paid attention to what I was posting I had acknowledged that Israel is in fact commiting war crimes. Nobody can deny that at this point, its wrong and inexcusable. but my issue with the people opposing Israel isnt about defending Israeli war crimes, it's about defending Jewish people themselves.



I don't believe I ever claimed this either, if it came across that way then you must remember I'm autistic and bipolar to boot. I don't always use my words the way I actually mean to, especially when stressed out or feeling attacked.

Yes you're right about unrelated wrongs don't make the situation right. But I myself have witnessed PLENTY of Jew Hatred online and in real life ever since this war happened. No matter what I may misinterpret about the situation you will never convince me that anti-semitism is just a thing of the evil past and that Jews have no more reason to distrust the world for the s**t that they are still subjectes to to this very day.

Maybe nexttime I find comments online spreading anti-semitic sentiments over Israel's actions I can try to remember to take screenshots of them and post them on WP just so people will quit treating me like I'm just a crazy imbecile imagining this in my fractures mind?



Maybe because many Jews were murdered and/or displaced just because of their religion? Basically by mocking their religious views you are being calloused over why they were being sent to concentration camps, which frankly I see as victim blaming. And like I already said, the "God's Chosen People" thing is deeply misunderstood by most non-Jews and seems to be the basis for every antisemite's reason for hating them.

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Again, the "I'm only anti-Zionist!" argument doesnt work with me. Maybe if you ever one day belong to a nation that is hated the world over and fighting every day just for its right to just exist you will understand.