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27 Feb 2015, 4:24 am

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I know it's a waste of time, but just in case there is a lurker with functional integrity and mind:
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THE FAILURE OF DARWINISM AND ITS FULLER IMPLICATIONS

Michael Denton, Evolution: A Theory in Crisis
(Adler and Adler: Bethesda, Maryland, 3rd ed. 1986) 368 pages, hardback $19.95.

reviewed by John F. McCarthy
The central thesis of this book is that Darwin's theory of evolution has not been validated by one single empirical discovery or scientific advance since its publication in 1859. Denton succeeds in refuting Darwinian evolution in terms of the empirical facts as they are known to natural scientists today, yet, for emotional reasons, he cannot entirely give up the theory. Because of the irrational element of this attachment, some of the historical judgments that he expresses are unsubstantiated and contradictory.


THE FAILURE OF DARWINISM


Charles Darwin published The Origin of Species in 1859, expressing therein a view which implied that "all the diversity of life on the Earth arose from natural and random processes and not, as was previously believed, from the creative activity of God" (Denton, 17). "Before Darwin, men had believed a providential intelligence had imposed its mysterious design upon nature, but now chance ruled supreme" (15). The mechanism of evolution depended on the ultimate premise that all organisms are subject to an intense struggle for existence which favors by natural selection the preservation of beneficial variations (Denton, 42). "Thus not only was God banished from the creation of species but from the entire realm of biology" (53).

According to Denton, Darwin was aware that the evolutionary edifice he had constructed was "entirely theoretical" (55). Darwin had "absolutely no direct empirical evidence" in terms of clear-cut intermediates that large-scale evolution had ever occurred (56); he was not able "to point to the bona fide case" where natural selection had actually generated an evolutionary change of any kind, let alone a new species (62).

For Denton "there can be no question that Darwin had nothing like sufficient evidence to establish his theory of evolution," (69) and yet Darwin's theory was elevated into an "unchallenged dogma" in little more than twenty years. Denton sees this to have been the result of "non-scientific factors of a social, psychological and philosophical nature" (70). The big appeal for many scientists was its "general harmony with scientific thought," and it was to be used by them to "wrest from theology the entire domain of cosmological theory" (72, quoting J. Tyndall). In fact, Denton observes, "today all biological phenomena are interpreted in Darwinian terms and every professional biologist is subject throughout his working day to continued affirmation of the truth of Darwinian theory," (74) even though "neither of the two fundamental axioms of Darwin's macroevolutionary theory ... have been validated by one single empirical discovery or scientific advance since 1859" (345) These two axioms never verified by science were (a) a functional continuum linking all species of life together, leading back to a primeval cell and (b) all the design of living things the result of a blind random process.
The whole review can be read here:
http://www.rtforum.org/lt/lt26.html


So if you don't believe in gods creation or Darwin what do you believe?

Surly Darwin's theory is more acceptable at least ?
He thinks the world only being 6000 years old and people being made of mud and ribs is more accurate as well as a talking snake!


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27 Feb 2015, 4:28 am

Go to your churches if that's how you feel, but don't ask us to follow for God isn't real!


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27 Feb 2015, 6:56 am

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He thinks the world only being 6000 years old and people being made of mud and ribs is more accurate as well as a talking snake!
Oh? How do you know that? Some kind of empirical evidence, perhaps?



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27 Feb 2015, 7:32 am

Funny how people argueing against evolution often focus so much on Darwin. They had not even discovered DNA back then.



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27 Feb 2015, 8:24 am

Humans share 98% of their DNA with Chimpanzees. End of argument.


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27 Feb 2015, 9:45 am

badgerface wrote:
Humans share 98% of their DNA with Chimpanzees. End of argument.


+ 50 % banana.

+ receptors in our brains that connect to plants, which suggests evolution.

There are microbes that live all over our body's literally keeping us alive.

Our bodies are made up of all these elements.
Oxygen 65%
Carbon 18%
Hydrogen 10%
Nitrogen 3%
Calcium 1.5%
Phosphorous 1%
Potassium 0.35 %
Sulphur 0.25%
Sodium 0.15%
Magnesium 0.5%
Trace.
Fluorine
Chlorine
Manganese
Iron
Which suggests we are all literally part of the universe.



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27 Feb 2015, 9:51 am

badgerface wrote:
Humans share 98% of their DNA with Chimpanzees. End of argument.


I'm willing to accept that apes descended from humans.



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27 Feb 2015, 9:56 am

Hardy Har Har!

The bottom line is: What harm does it do if someone believes in evolution and no god, somebody else believes in evolution instigated by a god, and somebody else doesn't believe in evolution at all?

We have all been borne of our mothers. That's the most important truth there is!

Now....if some god wants to reveal him/her/itself to me, I'm all eyes, ears and nose!



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27 Feb 2015, 9:58 am

sophisticated wrote:
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Humans share 98% of their DNA with Chimpanzees. End of argument.


I'm willing to accept that apes descended from humans.


Lol



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27 Feb 2015, 10:04 am

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Humans share 98% of their DNA with Chimpanzees. End of argument.


I'm willing to accept that apes descended from humans.


Humans are Great Apes biologically.



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27 Feb 2015, 10:09 am

trollcatman wrote:
sophisticated wrote:
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Humans share 98% of their DNA with Chimpanzees. End of argument.


I'm willing to accept that apes descended from humans.


Humans are Great Apes biologically.


According to ?



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27 Feb 2015, 10:21 am

sophisticated wrote:
badgerface wrote:
Humans share 98% of their DNA with Chimpanzees. End of argument.


I'm willing to accept that apes descended from humans.

You might be surprised to learn, there is a lemur on Madagascar called an Indri, believed by some tribesmen to have come from man. There are several legends about the Indri, one being that a tribesman wandered off into the forest one day, never to be seen again. It was believed he became the first Indri. Another legend says there were two brothers. One wandered off to cultivate the land and became the first human. The other stayed behind and became the first Indri.

Gotta love the richness of cultural myths from around the world. :)

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27 Feb 2015, 10:28 am

sophisticated wrote:
trollcatman wrote:
sophisticated wrote:
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Humans share 98% of their DNA with Chimpanzees. End of argument.


I'm willing to accept that apes descended from humans.


Humans are Great Apes biologically.


According to ?

http://www.sciencemuseum.org.uk/WhoAmI/ ... tives.aspx

Just one of many sources. As I recall, most of the evidence comes from geneticists, but there are also anthropological sources and a few other 'ologies.

Also, as I recall, genetic evidence also demonstrates the direction of change, from species A to species B etc.

It's very late (2.30am), so I'm forgetting my words.


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27 Feb 2015, 10:33 am

We are primates biologically, for sure.

There is SO MUCH evidence for evolution, natural selection, genetic mutation, etc.



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27 Feb 2015, 11:07 am

kraftiekortie wrote:
We are primates biologically, for sure.

There is SO MUCH evidence for evolution, natural selection, genetic mutation, etc.


"It is absolutely safe to say that if you meet somebody who claims not to believe in evolution, that person is ignorant, stupid or insane"

- Richard Dawkins


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