The Truth AND NOTHING BUT THE TRUTH: 2016 Election

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22 Jun 2016, 1:08 pm

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Trump doesn't have to pay people to shill for him on the internet, I am a react to people putting down my candidate.

Hillary however...

http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2 ... ebook.html

spent over a million dollars to flood social media with organized paid shills

interested? :P :P They have the Clinton DNC dossier too so you don't even need to really learn the talking points.


And here's an interesting related one:

http://dailycaller.com/2016/06/17/pro-o ... book-page/


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22 Jun 2016, 2:27 pm

If somebody is paying Trump supporters point me in that direction! :D

fwiw i consider my posts a counterweight to all the belligerent and hateful posts towards Mr. Trump, I've become a more ardent supporter as the attacks on Trump have become progressively more viscous. I hate Hillary Clinton, I hate Bill Clinton, I was literally raised hating these people and their wanton corruption so it really is twofold here. I probably would of dialed it back if the Democratic nominee was even slightly acceptable and I did like some Democrats that were floated out there this election but nobody supported Brian Scweitzer or even Jim Webb who were both honorable men that weren't beholden to the party bosses and weren't far left extremists.

Bernie I never took seriously but I do believe he at least is a honorable man that isn't doing to this to enrich himself and truly believes what he believes. Instead we have totally rigged process for Hillary, the fact that she almost like to a 75 year old Jewish socialist senator from Vermont should tell you how weak of a candidate Hillary is because she would of lost to any mainstream Democrat. Joe Biden was forbidden from running for president, he would of defeated Hillary easily in the primaries. Bernie had a few good ideas but didn't get the whole picture like Dennis Kucinich or even Russ Feingold to a lesser degree, I am not a partisan one bit and I've attacked Republican candidates on here just as much as anybody during these last 2 elections.

I was a big Ron Paul guy, he's one of one of the most honorable men to ever serve in the US congress and he was also cheated by a rigged system but unlike Bernie he also had a hostile lying press that attempted to smear and character assassinate him. I tolerated Rand Paul, he's a good senator but not inspiring and compromised to much with his father's positions, I honestly think Rand is a worse speaker than his father who I found compelling and authentic whereas Rand always sounded like he was lecturing you. Trump read the tea leaves, he saw how wildly out of step the leadership of the GOP is with it's base and people underestimated how much the Republican base actually hates Republicans. The party of Bush was rejected at the ballot box by their own supposed supporters, Jeb was made into a national embarrassment just as he should. Neoconservatism had be rejected, if you bother to look almost all the #NeverTrump people are ardent neocons.



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22 Jun 2016, 2:35 pm

Trump would pay supporters, but he's too cheap. Apparently, he doesn't spend money on his campaign unless it goes back into his own pockets!



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22 Jun 2016, 2:50 pm

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Trump would pay supporters, but he's too cheap. Apparently, he doesn't spend money on his campaign unless it goes back into his own pockets!


It's amazing how a partisan can turn around Hillary/DNC paying shills to covertly flood social media in an attempt to influence public opinion into a negative about Donald Trump. Trump is the cool candidate, Trump is the hope candidate, Trump is the change candidate, Trump is the fun candidate, Trump is the peace candidate, and he will win in spite of the billions the special interests will spend to try to beat him.



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22 Jun 2016, 2:55 pm

That's how he cons people. He makes them think he's a good guy and then borrows lots of money. When you want to get paid back, he refuses, takes you to court, and you wind up settling for less. Meanwhile, he took your money and made investments with it. What a scumbag! He supported Clinton as much as any other rich people do. Now he thinks it's more profitable to pretend to oppose her. I don't think he wants to win at all, just sell books.



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22 Jun 2016, 4:52 pm

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And I didn't know that we had any Leftist gun nuts on this forum. After all, who else would be firing on Trump?

He's famous, the reasons could be entirely non political.

Maybe a disgruntled Trump School student that lost his money.


Lost it doing what? There isn't a return on a seminar.

Maybe a bad investment they made.People always want to blame someone.
Maybe an angry individual that Trump foreclosed on.Lots of reasons someone might hate him that have nothing to do with politics and "the left."


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22 Jun 2016, 5:32 pm

Jacoby wrote:
If somebody is paying Trump supporters point me in that direction! :D

fwiw i consider my posts a counterweight to all the belligerent and hateful posts towards Mr. Trump, I've become a more ardent supporter as the attacks on Trump have become progressively more viscous. I hate Hillary Clinton, I hate Bill Clinton, I was literally raised hating these people and their wanton corruption so it really is twofold here. I probably would of dialed it back if the Democratic nominee was even slightly acceptable and I did like some Democrats that were floated out there this election but nobody supported Brian Scweitzer or even Jim Webb who were both honorable men that weren't beholden to the party bosses and weren't far left extremists.

Bernie I never took seriously but I do believe he at least is a honorable man that isn't doing to this to enrich himself and truly believes what he believes. Instead we have totally rigged process for Hillary, the fact that she almost like to a 75 year old Jewish socialist senator from Vermont should tell you how weak of a candidate Hillary is because she would of lost to any mainstream Democrat. Joe Biden was forbidden from running for president, he would of defeated Hillary easily in the primaries. Bernie had a few good ideas but didn't get the whole picture like Dennis Kucinich or even Russ Feingold to a lesser degree, I am not a partisan one bit and I've attacked Republican candidates on here just as much as anybody during these last 2 elections.

I was a big Ron Paul guy, he's one of one of the most honorable men to ever serve in the US congress and he was also cheated by a rigged system but unlike Bernie he also had a hostile lying press that attempted to smear and character assassinate him. I tolerated Rand Paul, he's a good senator but not inspiring and compromised to much with his father's positions, I honestly think Rand is a worse speaker than his father who I found compelling and authentic whereas Rand always sounded like he was lecturing you. Trump read the tea leaves, he saw how wildly out of step the leadership of the GOP is with it's base and people underestimated how much the Republican base actually hates Republicans. The party of Bush was rejected at the ballot box by their own supposed supporters, Jeb was made into a national embarrassment just as he should. Neoconservatism had be rejected, if you bother to look almost all the #NeverTrump people are ardent neocons.


Bernie Sanders wasn't really cheated. Hillary was the presumptive nominee before Bernie entered the race. No one on the democratic side could even come close to her numbers. So Bernie had to run against someone with a near universally recognized name while his was largely unknown. Also the system was in place before the election so changing it now wasn't an option.

Like I said before, Bernie didn't show Hillary as being a weak candidate, it showed how powerful progressive ideas are.

The press, well they're only in it for themselves and whatever they can do to make this race look as close as possible, they will do. So if it's giving negative press to Hillary while ignoring all of the lies and contradictions from the Trump campaign. Really how many times has he moved the goalposts on releasing his tax returns? Hillary released hers, so why can't Trump. It's been standard for a presidential candidate to do that for forty years.

And you realize that Trump's unfavorable numbers are incredibly high too right? There is plenty of hate for "The Donald" out there too.



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22 Jun 2016, 5:59 pm

Does your faith, agnostic or atheist view influence who you prefer in politics?


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22 Jun 2016, 7:32 pm

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Bernie Sanders wasn't really cheated. Hillary was the presumptive nominee before Bernie entered the race. No one on the democratic side could even come close to her numbers. So Bernie had to run against someone with a near universally recognized name while his was largely unknown. Also the system was in place before the election so changing it now wasn't an option.

Like I said before, Bernie didn't show Hillary as being a weak candidate, it showed how powerful progressive ideas are.

The press, well they're only in it for themselves and whatever they can do to make this race look as close as possible, they will do. So if it's giving negative press to Hillary while ignoring all of the lies and contradictions from the Trump campaign. Really how many times has he moved the goalposts on releasing his tax returns? Hillary released hers, so why can't Trump. It's been standard for a presidential candidate to do that for forty years.

And you realize that Trump's unfavorable numbers are incredibly high too right? There is plenty of hate for "The Donald" out there too.


Do you believe Hillary would of beat Joe Biden? Do you think she would of beat Elizabeth Warren? The stronger Democratic candidates were told to stay out of the race, the sitting Vice President was told that he would receive no support from the establishment that he served for more than 30 years because the field was clear for Hillary. Everybody that did run were outsiders like Bernie who was an independent like Jim Webb, Lincoln Chafee, and Mayor Carcetti. Hillary was most definitely a weak and protected candidate, look at when they scheduled all those debates. Hillary has not had a press conference in over 200 days, she does not speak to the press ever and never gets flack for it whereas Donald is an open book. Who is hiding something? The more people see of Hillary the more they dislike her, that has always been the case.

Hillary was PROMISED the nomination in 2008 when she stepped aside for Barack Obama, she's been the inevitable candidate for like 15 years now it is ridiculous how much the party bosses who control the Democratic Party have shoved this evil person down our throats. The Democratic Party is not a party of social moderates any more in any real sense, not a party for the working person, they are the party of capital and the party of Wall Street now. Read the leaked DNC Clinton dossiers if you want proof of a rigged system. Nobody is talking about this Guccifer 2.0 but Hillary has some serious serious issues, you don't think she was hacked? Russia has the dirt on her, probably every foreign intelligence agency with any competent IT department because the server was totally unsecure. It would be a total miscarriage of justice to all those that Obama so aggressive pursued under the Espionage Act which I believe is more than every president combined before him, the Clinton's truly are above the law and that justice is most definitely not blind.

Trump's unfavorables are fluid, he is a much better speaker than Hillary and a much more aggressive debater and will push narratives that will dominate the news cycle. What is Hillary's response going to be when she's questioned face to face about foreign contributions to the Clinton Foundation while serving as Secretary of State? How is she going explain her skirting of open government laws? That's just the tip of the iceberg, some comeback about releasing his tax returns(which really show nothing and serve no benefit for him to release and allow his enemies to comb over for some smear) would be easily deflected by asking Hillary to release the transcripts from her Goldman Sachs and other speeches to Wall Street which made her tens of millions of dollars. Trump has said all along that he'd release his tax returns after he's done being audited, there has been no moving of the goalposts. What excuse does Hillary have? Hillary by the way said she was open book too when it came to this FBI investigation but she and her staff have stonewalled investigators at every step of the way. Don't forget about the truth about what was really going on in Benghazi, it's exactly as I've been saying it for. Hillary no doubt was the worst Secretary of State of all time and is a total disaster on foreign policy, she bares a lot of responsibility for the way the Middle East is now.

The polling right now is being manipulated, Gary Johnson and Jill Stein aren't going to get 5% of the vote let alone 10%+. The polls were showing Trump taking the lead over Hillary so they changed their methodology which was proven wrong over and over and over again in the primary which doesn't have to be accountable to actual election results now. If you notice Hillary's percentage hasn't really been going up, they've just been lowering Trump's number. An incumbent, which Hillary is essentially, is in deep trouble when they fall much below 50%. Hillary has a real problem with independents, she is universally hated in the GOP, and their a large pissed off faction in the Democratic party that doesn't like her either. I know the media whispers sweet nothings about how Trump can't win but Trump will win the swing states like Pennsylvania, Ohio, Virginia, North Carolina, and will be more competitive than any GOP candidate in decades many other states.



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22 Jun 2016, 8:24 pm

Jacoby,

There is so much speculation and conspiratorial thinking in that response that I don't even know where to begin. I'm just going to leave it alone for now. :scratch:



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23 Jun 2016, 4:50 pm

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This guy's fan fiction he made up about the Trump rally is wholly ridiculous and not based on any facts whatsoever, of course he is some 'creative writing' assistant professor at Georgia Southern University. I've actually been to a Trump rally and I went with somebody that wasn't a supporter and they were surprised at how boring and well behaved it was, they were surprised that he didn't talk so much about what the media spends trying to smear him for whenever they can. I was kind of bored honestly, I was expecting these limp wristed protesters to cause some problems but it was a great venue on the State Fair grounds where the parking lot was closed and inaccessible trouble makers and the merch hawkers.

I think the large contingency of law enforcement and the bikers(made up of mostly retired military, LEOs, and other first responders) who had came to protect the event might of scared the agitators away maybe as much as the 115 degree heat. The people outside the event really were minuscule, as I said the "protest" was well over with by the time the rally was out. All it really amounted to was about a dozen people with one of those billboard trucks parked with a picture of Trump and some swastika on it or some nonsense. There was more than double maybe the triple amount of people that were media at this protest than actual protesters. Sheriff Joe runs a very tight ship, very professional, I'm pretty sure the 3 Soros paid trouble makers that he charged and deservedly threw in jail might of scared the pawns into realizing that that they might face some real world consequences for their media endorsed and encouraged 'youthful rebellion'. Believe it our or not it was a fairly diverse crowd in terms of age, sex, and race and I didn't hear anybody yell anything hateful as far as I can remember. Maybe that's the difference between North Carolina and Arizona but I think it's more the authors imagination that is main difference in NC. There are 10k+ at these events and here it went off without a hitch and not one disruption. The only disruption were some kids up front unveiling a banner but it didn't say anything bad but rather "Young Democrats for Trump" so those pissed off Bernie supporters are smarter than I give them credit. The merch sold on the location was the official stuff, the biker group sold some patriotic stuff as well, nothing I saw out of the ordinary.

'Hillary for Prison' is not racist folks, it's somewhat sexist and probably more elitist to say she doesn't deserve the same punishment that everyone else would be getting especially under this administrations aggressive use of the Espionage Act. Think about poor Private Manning who now has a sentence of 30 years in the brig. There are serious serious charges of corruption against the Clinton Foundation, the Saudis are saying they've funded up to 20% of Hillary's campaign so far and the bankers have made the Clinton's fabulously wealthy. She cannot be trusted, Trump is a much more trustworthy person.



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23 Jun 2016, 5:51 pm

by most accounts Trump's Hillary speech was very effective and has been almost universally praised(even by Slate no less). Trump's playing 4D chess I am telling you, Hillary has no idea how to campaign against Trump since he can attack her from every side and with facts or mud, Hillary goes right and Trump jukes left. Hillary is in big big trouble.



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23 Jun 2016, 8:27 pm

Anyone else see the USA congress going a bit "British Parliment" today?


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23 Jun 2016, 8:45 pm

It's hilarious when Republicans accuse Hillary of corruption while they suck the NRA's balls for donations.



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23 Jun 2016, 9:34 pm

How is the NRA corrupt? It's an advocacy group for gun owners, it really makes no sense at all when people attack them even tho I agree they make stupid statements and believe better gun rights organization.

The Clinton's have a net worth in the 9 figures, how?!?!?! Look at her record, look at how she is beholden to the special interests of Wall Street.