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04 Feb 2020, 8:21 pm

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04 Feb 2020, 10:37 pm

Out of Sanders, Warren and Biden, it seems like Buttigieg has the best chance of winning against Trump and would be the best at being the president if he wins.



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05 Feb 2020, 6:11 am

Then again apparently Buttigieg is tied in with that app that screwd up the Iowa caucus.



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05 Feb 2020, 7:26 am

I would hope that if Buttigieg becomes the nominee that his husband is front an center and campaigns for and with him. There's the puzzling clip from Iowa where one of his Iowan supporters, a middle aged woman, didn't know he was gay and didn't know he was married to a man. Buttigieg's campaign worker told the woman it's common knowledge. I don't know that it is. I wonder how many people know he's married? My only point is that if the fact that he's gay and also that he's married to a man doesn't become public knowledge quickly, not getting it out there might be bad for him politically since he's an unknown to nearly all of America. America would need to get to know him well fast .



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05 Feb 2020, 7:57 am

I did not know that he is gay and married to a man. But I did not feel particularly inclined to learn about all the candidates running since all but one will be eliminated. Although If I were voting in that caucus I would have done some homework.



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05 Feb 2020, 9:01 am

With More Results In, Buttigieg And Sanders Still Lead In Iowa — Biden Still Fourth

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After a frustrating Monday night when we got almost no results from the Iowa caucuses, we now have partial results more than 24 hours after doors closed. At around 5 p.m. Eastern, the Iowa Democratic Party released the results from 62 percent of Iowa’s caucus sites; a few more results trickled in later in the evening. As of Wednesday morning, with about 71 percent of precincts reporting at least some results, here’s where the three different measures of the vote — initial preference, final preference and state delegate equivalents — stood.

Preliminary results from the Iowa caucuses
First alignment, final alignment and state delegate equivalents (S.D.E.) in the Iowa caucuses with about 71% of precincts reporting as of Wednesday morning, Feb. 5, 2020
FIRST ALIGNMENT FINAL ALIGNMENT S.D.E.
Buttigieg 21% 25% 27%
Sanders 24 26 25
Warren 19 21 18
Biden 15 13 15
Klobuchar 13 13 13
Yang 5 1 1
Steyer 2 0 0
Uncommitted 1 1 0
Gabbard 0 0 0
Bennet 0 0 0
Patrick 0 0 0
Bloomberg 0 0 0
SOURCE: IOWA DEMOCRATIC PARTY

So far, Sen. Bernie Sanders is leading in the two popular-vote counts. Twenty-four percent of caucusgoers supported him on the initial ballot, 3 points higher than the runner-up, former South Bend, Indiana, Mayor Pete Buttigieg. In the final realignment vote — after supporters of candidates who didn’t meet the viability threshold (usually 15 percent) are allowed to pick a higher-polling candidate — Sanders had 26 percent and only a 1 point lead on Buttigieg. But Buttigieg is currently pulling more state delegate equivalents (27 percent of them), which is what determines the number of Democratic National Convention delegates a candidate receives out of Iowa. That split result is happening because Buttigieg is doing well in rural counties, which have a lot of delegates relative to their population, and Sanders ran up big margins in urban areas and college towns, which punch a bit below their weight in terms of delegates.

Of course, with about 29 percent of precincts yet to report, these are not the final numbers. They’re probably in the right ballpark, though. The precincts that are reporting come from all 99 of Iowa’s counties, and they should be pretty representative of this homogenous state. For example, the New York Times Upshot’s (in)famous “needle” — essentially a model that uses early election returns to estimate the results in outstanding precincts and thus predict a final outcome — expects Sanders to hold onto his popular-vote leads and Buttigieg to stay ahead in the delegate count.

If so, it seems like clear good news for the Sanders and Buttigieg campaigns, although the former remains significantly more likely to win the Democratic nomination. Sen. Elizabeth Warren, who is currently third by all three measures, got more of a neutral result. Former Vice President Joe Biden turned in a weaker-than-expected performance, however. So far, he has gotten just 13 percent of the post-realignment vote — towards the lower end of his likely range according to our Iowa primary forecast and just half of the 26 percent our model had him winning on average. For comparison, Sanders, Buttigieg and Warren are all currently overshooting their average vote share per the FiveThirtyEight forecast. (Quick programming note: Our forecast is still frozen — that is, we’re not updating it with new data — until we get more final results from Iowa.)

Outside of those top four, only Amy Klobuchar and Andrew Yang received a significant share of votes or state delegate equivalents. Klobuchar currently has 13 percent of the post-realignment vote and 13 percent of state delegate equivalents. Yang, who had 5 percent in initial preferences, ended up with only 1 percent in the final realignment. But he still currently has one state delegate equivalent.

The numbers in Iowa might shift a little when all precincts are finally reporting, but the overall picture is unlikely to change. Sanders and Buttigieg had good nights. Warren did OK. And Biden will almost certainly wind up with a disappointing percentage. That probably means the next few weeks of the primary will be all about how well Biden can recover.


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05 Feb 2020, 9:26 am

I wonder if a lot of people are voting for Sanders because they feel like he got cheated in the last election.



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05 Feb 2020, 9:39 am

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I wonder if a lot of people are voting for Sanders because they feel like he got cheated in the last election.
I wonder if they're voting for him because they're afraid of what might happen to the status quo if a person is elected who is familiar with self-sacrifice, honor, responsibility, devotion to duty, respect, and humility (e.g., a military veteran).

There are only two veterans in the race: Buttigieg and Gabbard. All the rest are either slackers or draft-dodgers like Sanders and Trump.

I may have to write in my own name ... again.



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05 Feb 2020, 9:46 am

In theory everything for free sounds like an attractive option -cash, college, medical, food, rent, and prizes for all! Think about this. People up until today joined the military to afford college, worked, starved, and sacrificed to get through courses while trying to eat. Now is the proposition that one won't have to suffer nor payback college. I'm unsure how this will work out since university fees cannot be discharged. Who will eat the losses? The universities would have to increase the tuition beyond affordability to offest devastating losses. If so, would the gov have to pay to compensate public and private universities? Naturally it would increase taxes; which free rent, medical, food, and everything else would too. The student loan debt is massive: $1.6 trillion. If it went the career politician's ways think about this: you go to college to get a degree to make money, that college is free since self-serving soc.. Then after years of hard college work, you get the work you desire but your increased tax load is way higher. Some of the candidates advised they have no problem taking 50-60% federal, add in state, FICA, etc and you have virtually nothing left. What is the point? Everything for free; the reality is far worse in everyday practice. Career politicians are unaffected. They have a retirement for life some only have to serve one term. Their medical is different from yours, they don't have to pay for it and their families are covered, no co-pay. Making a law for you to follow which disempowers YOU doesn't affect them in the slightest financially, medically, etc. Context.


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05 Feb 2020, 7:59 pm

Buttigieg narrowly holds lead in Iowa caucuses as more precincts report

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Democratic presidential candidate Pete Buttigieg held a slight 1.3 percentage-point lead over Vermont Sen. Bernie Sanders in the Iowa caucuses as more results trickled in on Wednesday.

The caucuses were held Monday but technical problems caused an unprecedented delay in reporting the results. No candidate has been declared the winner yet, and results are still coming in.

As of Wednesday night, Buttigieg, the former South Bend, Ind., mayor, led the race with 26.7 percent of delegates over the 25.4 percent in favor of Sanders, according to numbers released by the Iowa Democratic Party.

Massachusetts Sen. Elizabeth Warren trailed with 18.3 percent and former Vice President Joe Biden was hovering in fourth with 15.9 percent, with 86 percent of precincts reporting.


Biden goes on attack, slams Buttigieg and Sanders after taking ‘gut punch’ in Iowa
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Former Vice President Joe Biden cranked up the volume Wednesday in his attacks against two of his top rivals for the Democratic presidential nomination – Sen. Bernie Sanders of Vermont and former South Bend, Ind., Mayor Pete Buttigieg.

Speaking to an audience in this small southeastern New Hampshire city the morning after delayed partial returns from the Iowa caucuses showed Biden in fourth place -- trailing Buttigieg, Sanders and Sen. Elizabeth Warren of Massachusetts -- the former vice president admitted, “I’m not going to sugarcoat it. We took a gut punch in Iowa.”

Biden acknowledged that “this is not the first time in my life I’ve been knocked down.”

Biden’s lackluster performance in the Iowa caucuses makes a strong finish in next week’s primary in New Hampshire even more imperative.
With that in mind, Biden then unloaded on Sanders, warning that “if Senator Sanders is the nominee for the party, every Democrat in America up and down the ballot – blue states, red states, purple states, easy districts competitive ones – every Democrat will have to carry the label that Senator Sanders has chosen for himself.”

He then stressed that Sanders “calls himself a Democratic socialist."

he former vice president then emphasized that President Trump is champing at the bit to label the Democrats as socialists. And he pointed to his own efforts in the 2018 midterms in helping the Democrats win back the majority of the House of Representatives.

“When Sanders attacks me for having baggage, I have to tell you the 60-plus candidates that I campaigned for, the toughest districts in the country just two years ago, don’t see me as baggage and they wanted me in their districts," he said.

And Biden said he doubted such candidates would want “Bernie Sanders to come in and campaign” for them.

Biden then used some of his most muscular language to date to criticize Buttigieg, who’s narrowly leading Sanders in Iowa as the results trickle in.

Biden said: “Mayor Pete likes to attack me as well and he’s a good man. He calls me part of the old failed Washington. Really. Was it a failure that I went to Congress to get ObamaCare passed?”

Biden then highlighted numerous other accomplishments during the Obama years and asked “Is he really saying that the Obama-Biden administration was a failure? Pete, just say it out loud.”

he former vice president then took another shot, saying “I’ve great respect for Mayor Pete and his service to this nation but I believe it’s a risk – to be straight up with you – for this party to nominate someone who’s never held office higher than mayor of a town of 100,000 in Indiana. I do believe it’s a risk.”

Biden was interrupted twice by climate change demonstrators.

"These guys are OK," Biden said as the protesters chanted. "They want to do the same thing I want to do. They want to phase out fossil fuels and we're going to phase out fossil fuels."

When one of them continued to interupt Biden, he responded saying "don't act like the Trumpers, OK."

Moments later another of the protesters - a young woman - asked what Biden would do to close a coal fired plan in New Hampshire.

The former vice president touted his past efforts and added "we can't do it all at one. We're working on it kid. We're working on it."


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05 Feb 2020, 9:35 pm

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In theory everything for free sounds like an attractive option -cash, college, medical, food, rent, and prizes for all! Think about this. People up until today joined the military to afford college, worked, starved, and sacrificed to get through courses while trying to eat. Now is the proposition that one won't have to suffer nor payback college. I'm unsure how this will work out since university fees cannot be discharged. Who will eat the losses? The universities would have to increase the tuition beyond affordability to offest devastating losses. If so, would the gov have to pay to compensate public and private universities? Naturally it would increase taxes; which free rent, medical, food, and everything else would too. The student loan debt is massive: $1.6 trillion. If it went the career politician's ways think about this: you go to college to get a degree to make money, that college is free since self-serving soc.. Then after years of hard college work, you get the work you desire but your increased tax load is way higher. Some of the candidates advised they have no problem taking 50-60% federal, add in state, FICA, etc and you have virtually nothing left. What is the point? Everything for free; the reality is far worse in everyday practice. Career politicians are unaffected. They have a retirement for life some only have to serve one term. Their medical is different from yours, they don't have to pay for it and their families are covered, no co-pay. Making a law for you to follow which disempowers YOU doesn't affect them in the slightest financially, medically, etc. Context.


What he said.



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06 Feb 2020, 12:26 am

Pete Buttigieg maintains tight lead for first in Iowa

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Pete Buttigieg maintained a narrow lead over Vermont Sen. Bernie Sanders as Iowa continued reporting its caucus results into the night Wednesday.

With 96% of Iowa's precincts reporting, the former South Bend, Indiana, mayor remained the leader of the race, with 26.4% of state delegates. He's closely trailed by Sanders, with 25.7%.

They're followed by Massachusetts Sen. Elizabeth Warren at 18.3%, former Vice President Joe Biden at 15.8% and Minnesota Sen. Amy Klobuchar at 12.2%.

Iowa Democratic Party Chairman Troy Price told state party officials on a call Wednesday night that the full results are expected by Thursday morning.


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06 Feb 2020, 10:25 am

CNN Excludes Tulsi Gabbard From Town Hall That Includes Lower-Polling Candidates

On Feb. 5 and 6, CNN will host a New Hampshire town hall with eight presidential candidates, including: Joe Biden, Sen. Elizabeth Warren, Andrew Yang, Tom Steyer, Sen. Bernie Sanders, Pete Buttigieg, Sen. Amy Klobuchar, and Deval Patrick.

Two top 10 Democratic presidential candidates are excluded from CNN’s series. The first is former NEw York City Mayor Mike Bloomberg, who is not competing in the New Hampshire primary. The second is Rep. Tulsi Gabbard of Hawaii.

Gabbard is polling nationally higher than Patrick, a candidate who was asked to join CNN’s series. According to Real Clear Politics’ latest aggregation, Gabbard is polling at 1.8 percent nationally, while Patrick is at 0.5 percent. In New Hampshire, Gabbard is polling ahead of Yang, Steyer, and Patrick, all three of whom were invited to the town hall.


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06 Feb 2020, 9:27 pm

Hey, Bloomie's not allowed to do that! Joe Biden's the only authorized plagiarizer around here!

(The young folks may not know that Biden made a name for himself 20 or so years ago when he was found to be plagiarizing his speeches from British politicians.)



BLOOMBERG PLAGIARIZED PARTS OF AT LEAST EIGHT OF HIS PLANS

MIKE BLOOMBERG’S PRESIDENTIAL campaign plagiarized portions of its plans for maternal health, LGBTQ equality, the economy, tax policy, infrastructure, and mental health from research publications, media outlets, and a number of nonprofit, educational, and policy groups.

The Intercept found that exact passages from at least eight Bloomberg plans or accompanying fact sheets were direct copies of material from media outlets including CNN, Time, and CBS, a research center at the John Jay College of Criminal Justice, the American Medical Association, Everytown for Gun Safety, Building America’s Future Educational Fund, and other organizations. Bloomberg co-founded Everytown for Gun Safety, a political organization focused on gun control, and Building America’s Future Educational Fund, a nonprofit working on infrastructure investment and reform, and has chaired them in the past, and he was listed as a co-author on the educational fund’s reports. He is not clearly affiliated with the other sources. The plagiarized sections ranged in length from entire paragraphs to individual sentences and fragments in documents that were between five and 14 pages long.

On Wednesday afternoon, The Intercept sent a detailed query to the Bloomberg campaign. By Thursday morning, one of the plans was completely taken down, while others were changed.


https://theintercept.com/2020/02/06/mik ... arization/


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07 Feb 2020, 6:14 am

Darmok wrote:
Hey, Bloomie's not allowed to do that! Joe Biden's the only authorized plagiarizer around here!

(The young folks may not know that Biden made a name for himself 20 or so years ago when he was found to be plagiarizing his speeches from British politicians.)



BLOOMBERG PLAGIARIZED PARTS OF AT LEAST EIGHT OF HIS PLANS

MIKE BLOOMBERG’S PRESIDENTIAL campaign plagiarized portions of its plans for maternal health, LGBTQ equality, the economy, tax policy, infrastructure, and mental health from research publications, media outlets, and a number of nonprofit, educational, and policy groups.

The Intercept found that exact passages from at least eight Bloomberg plans or accompanying fact sheets were direct copies of material from media outlets including CNN, Time, and CBS, a research center at the John Jay College of Criminal Justice, the American Medical Association, Everytown for Gun Safety, Building America’s Future Educational Fund, and other organizations. Bloomberg co-founded Everytown for Gun Safety, a political organization focused on gun control, and Building America’s Future Educational Fund, a nonprofit working on infrastructure investment and reform, and has chaired them in the past, and he was listed as a co-author on the educational fund’s reports. He is not clearly affiliated with the other sources. The plagiarized sections ranged in length from entire paragraphs to individual sentences and fragments in documents that were between five and 14 pages long.

On Wednesday afternoon, The Intercept sent a detailed query to the Bloomberg campaign. By Thursday morning, one of the plans was completely taken down, while others were changed.


https://theintercept.com/2020/02/06/mik ... arization/

What about Melania?


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07 Feb 2020, 7:29 am

Darmok wrote:
CNN Excludes Tulsi Gabbard From Town Hall That Includes Lower-Polling Candidates

On Feb. 5 and 6, CNN will host a New Hampshire town hall with eight presidential candidates, including: Joe Biden, Sen. Elizabeth Warren, Andrew Yang, Tom Steyer, Sen. Bernie Sanders, Pete Buttigieg, Sen. Amy Klobuchar, and Deval Patrick.

Two top 10 Democratic presidential candidates are excluded from CNN’s series. The first is former NEw York City Mayor Mike Bloomberg, who is not competing in the New Hampshire primary. The second is Rep. Tulsi Gabbard of Hawaii.

Gabbard is polling nationally higher than Patrick, a candidate who was asked to join CNN’s series. According to Real Clear Politics’ latest aggregation, Gabbard is polling at 1.8 percent nationally, while Patrick is at 0.5 percent. In New Hampshire, Gabbard is polling ahead of Yang, Steyer, and Patrick, all three of whom were invited to the town hall.


https://thefederalist.com/2020/02/06/cn ... andidates/


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