If a girl is raped and pregnant, should she keep the baby?

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Self defense is not against physical harm but about potential physical harm. If you waited till the attacker hit you with a knife you would die before self-defending.

In that regards, pregnancy is as much of a health risk as it is a beautiful thing. And when the pregnancy is not wanted, then all the beautiful stuff is gone and all you have left is the health risk.

On the other hand, I find this whole discussion silly. It is not self-defense simply because it does not involve killing anyone but a blob of cells. So the self-defense argument is not necessary.

The other day I posted a humongous list of all the risks , physical and mental of pregnancy as well as permanent side effects. I am not going to post it again because I am rather busy and it is taking me a while to find the page in which I did.

You do now. And I can assure you I am a valid source - I have both been pregnant and given birth.

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In fact, I can't think of another mother out there who wouldn't consider both pregnancy and labor/delivery to be harmful, at least to some degree. Check out the war stories on any baby board. We've got battle scars too.

Sorry to digress, but hypothetically, if it were possible to transplant a fetus from one woman to another, Would any of the women that are pro-life be willing to take a fetus and carry it to term, from a woman that didnt want to have it?

So would you go so far as to agree with mechanicalgirl39 that pregnancy is an act of violence from the baby toward the mother?

try anyone who practices medicine and anyone who has ever been pregnant.

Where exactly did she say that?

And what is this, you're going to shift the goal posts until you can say, "see, I'm right!"?

The zef cannot commit a premeditated act of "violence" against the woman carrying it because it is incapable of sentient thought. That does not mean, however, that no acts of "violence" will be committed against the woman's body by virtue of her carrying and/or delivering said zef.

A woman's health and life are put in danger throughout pregnancy and childbirth. There is this misconception that pregnancy and delivery are "magical," "incredible" experiences that leave everyone with warm fuzzy feelings. But just because that's the way it is on TV doesn't make it so. And denying that pregnancy and childbirth can have major, negative life altering (or ending) consequences for women (even if they put the baby up for adoption) is a disrespect to all women who are or have been pregnant. And yes, that even includes your mother.

My position in this matter is as follows: You don't tell me what I can or cannot do with my uterus; I won't tell you what you can or cannot do with yours. End of.

Pregnancy is life threatening (to the woman) to some degree.

ruveyn

Below is an excerpt from page 39 where mechanicalgirl39 explains that every pregnancy should be viewed as "it's the mother or the baby"


No I was just pointing out there was a subtext to our argument that you missed.

being 'beat up' is not a bad metaphor for pregnancy and childbirth. I've heard more than one woman describe it as 'the most traumatic experience of their lives.'

So what? It's what they have a womb for so it's a normal function of their body.

Thank you for not hiding what an a**hole you are.

fcuk you b!tch, my original answer remains the same to the OP. You knew when it was put in there. You know when it has brain function. If you fail to get rid of it before it has rights then that is your own stupid fault as you knew what was coming.

Remember that it's 'wolf b***h,' and not 'spaniel.' The teeth and claws are bigger than yours, privileged lap dog.
"I" know no such thing.
For one thing, this entire thread is about non-consensual sex. For another, the vast majority of abortions, be it of pregnancy-by-rape or pregnancy-by-accident, occur long before the zef has any brain function. We are not talking about 3rd trimester abortions, here; we're talking about abortions in general. Even if we were talking abortions after the first trimester, something that has already been mentioned on this board and probably in this thread, is that many low-income women have their abortions delayed not by desire or laziness but because the nearest clinic is so far away that they have to arrange extra time off for travel, arrange a ride (because they may not have a car), and save up enough money for travel, hotel, and medical expenses.

edited for spelling.

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metaphorical you, that is how I use grammar. I would have said you regardless of who I was talking to or their sex.

exactly so I was assuming that it would be remembered. sheesh. how many things do you have to keep track of that you forget you've been raped?

mechanicgirl39 gave the impression that it doesn't matter what trimester as its the womans right to do what ever they want until the baby comes out.

The tone of this post is most disturbing, particularly coming from one who has been presented as of the Christian persuasion. Not that alleged Christians are not as capable of foul mouthed nincommunication [NOT a typo] as the most God-fearing antitheist is capable of polite reason, but one would like to see fewer alleged and self-styled and more listening.

But quite apart from that: I say again and swill probably say again, all this guff about brain function and trimesters and all - why? It is absurd to talk of somebody [does not necessarily imply personhood, just that one is corporeal] at a given tick of the clock "becoming" human and "acquiring" rights. You do not even DIE that instantly. Laws, sure: law is filled with deadlines and boundaries, but the law is not reality. Lazw does not convey rights, though it [sometimes] recognizes rights.

If there are good and sufficient reasons for getting rid of the THING THAT MUST NOT BE NAMED today, those reasons will be at least as good tomorrow. And as I said to Wee Coryl, long days ago, if it be righteous to terminate the pregnancy that PROBABLY will have serious defects, should it not be as righteous to end the life of the baby actually born with those defects?

Exposing or otherwise disposing of the unwanted or damaged child is at least as time honored as the herbs from the wise woman.