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09 Aug 2007, 5:54 pm

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Encoraging people to be homosexual has economic and social implications on the society in which that happens. That is my issue with it, i have no religious prejudices or anything like that. The implications affect the vast majority of people who are not gay, and I believe their rights are a big part of the equation.

so majority is always right?

do you enjoy having to assimilate to the NT world?

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09 Aug 2007, 5:56 pm

Sedaka wrote:

Hadron wrote:

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You cant argue with half my points then, i suggest you read and either contest them or admit I am right

You're not right. You're coming up with the same old sh** I've heard and replied to on here too many times already. What specifically do you want me to reply to? If you were expecting me to go thought each o the numbers individually then I won't. I'm too tired.

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you make homosexuality socially acceptable, then incidences of it will obviously rise, as bisexuals are more likely to go into a homosexual relationship as opposed to a hetrosexual one. Which leads to the said effects that I am talking about. These countries you cite have democratically decided their stances on homosexuality, and I think you should respect it. There are a lot bigger problems in the world, like people not being fed for instance. People can be gay if they choose their country sensibly, so there is no issue, most of the US can move to canada if it bothers them. And as for birth rate, unless you want our country to become more of an racial melting pot than it already is, i suggest you encourage the people here to f**k more here, immigration is what is currently making up our short fall. If we dont have enough kids, who will pay our state pensions, and so on?

I don't know which country you mean by 'this country' but, assuming you mean the US, are you then suggesting that keeping the birth rate of white Americans up is more important than equal rights?
And it's not exactly as simple as moving to Canada if you want to get married. Most people can't afford to just get up and move to a different country, and they have family, work etc to think about to. Just let them get married ffs.

I wouldnt say it was the same old sh**, as you call it, go back and read all my arguements. As for being tired, we both live in the UK, if i can write it, you certainly can read it.
The US has made its decision for pragmatic reasons, i think if gay marriages and weddings were allowed they could quie easily end up with a massacre, and any way the democratically elected government has spoken. As for equal rights, you have them over here, in fact I would say the legislation here probably goes way too far, by deincentivising marriage. It is not as simple as letting people get married, there are very good reasons why it is not allowed. Stop being so idealistic.

1.were you denied a green card or something?

2.what a piece of work you are...

3.why exactly would massacres insue? lost me there....

4.things will change in the US eventually....

1. Nope, i got in fine when i visited the US
2. Thanks...
3. Christian Fundementalists getting a little more than upset. Similar reasoning to why being an abortionist in America is a dangerous occupation.
4. Could be in the opposite way to what you are expecting/ want.

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09 Aug 2007, 5:58 pm

Hadron wrote:

You cant argue with half my points then, i suggest you read and either contest them or admit I am right. If you make homosexuality socially acceptable, then incidences of it will obviously rise, as bisexuals are more likely to go into a homosexual relationship as opposed to a hetrosexual one. Which leads to the said effects that I am talking about. These countries you cite have democratically decided their stances on homosexuality, and I think you should respect it. There are a lot bigger problems in the world, like people not being fed for instance. People can be gay if they choose their country sensibly, so there is no issue, most of the US can move to canada if it bothers them. And as for birth rate, unless you want our country to become more of an racial melting pot than it already is, i suggest you encourage the people here to f**k more here, immigration is what is currently making up our short fall. If we dont have enough kids, who will pay our state pensions, and so on?

The fundamental flaw with this is that you are assuming people become gay, rather than realise they are gay. This is where the autism comparison comes in--a lot of people here will have a bad story about someone who assumed that their AS meant they were just being obstinate or making excuses for bad behaviour. When something so integral to your character is simply dismissed out of hand by someone who has not experienced it, it will be distressing.

And again, it is a silly assertion that a gay person in a society hostile to it will simply knuckle down, marry someone of the opposite sex and start dutifully cranking out children. Either they will pursue their sexuality in secret or move to another country like you described. Either way, the population increase you wish for will not be coming from them.

I'm not really surprised that you consider a racial "melting pot" to be a bad thing, it seems perfectly in character.

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09 Aug 2007, 5:58 pm

greenblue wrote:

Hadron wrote:

Sopho wrote:

Hadron wrote:

Translation: Dear Sopho has lost the arguement and is a sore loser.
So what is my "type" anyway, go on. If you really want you can call me out on Intensity if you like.

I didn't even know you were on Intensity. I might do, but I can't be arsed getting into another thread right now.
Your 'type' is arrogant, conservative, mindless idiot.
I definately havn't lost any argument here lol

I suppose I could be arrogant, but the other three words are incorrect totally. If you are having to step into personal attacks, what does it say about your debating skills?

Stating that Sopho lost an argument and is a loser, in which neither of those is true, I didn't know that was such a debate skill

Your arguments have no sense, I don't see how homosexual marriage could really affect the US economy, you really think that will reduce child birth? give me a break, in that case you could argue that women shouldn't work, because that also reduces child birht, because there are women that choose career over having a family.

Good job I am talking about the UK then on the economic points. As for losing an arguement, i think she has done that in style...

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09 Aug 2007, 5:59 pm

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Your arguements are based on the premise that gay people are born gay. I dont think it is true at all.

Why?
Because you are straight?

I am straight too and I disagree with you, I don't have to be bay or bi, to really understand this, obviously you are very ignorant about a lot of stuff concerning human sexuality, if you think that way.

or maybe you just try to annoy Sopho?

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09 Aug 2007, 5:59 pm

Hadron wrote:

Your arguements are based on the premise that gay people are born gay. I dont think it is true at all.

I'm inclined to trust the accounts of people who actually are gay, over you.

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09 Aug 2007, 6:00 pm

Sedaka wrote:

were you denied a green card or something?

what a piece of work you are...

why exactly would massacres insue? lost me there....

things will change in the US eventually....

I suspect he's a troll, who doesn't actually believe any of the drivel he's saying but just wants to antagonise people. I don't really care, I'm just shooting down his arguments as they come up so that anyone reading this casually is aware of the flaws.

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09 Aug 2007, 6:02 pm

Sedaka wrote:

Hadron wrote:

1.so majority is always right?

2.do you enjoy having to assimilate to the NT world?

1. The impact on the majority of people has to be balanced against the intrests of the minority. But no, i certianly dont hold the majorirty is always right belief.
2. No, but then a lot of time I dont have to. Much of the time I am respected for who I am, and people who tend to cause me trouble I can fight back in ways they cant retaliate against. Anyway we aspies will succeed NT's someday, the good old fun of evolution, but that is another matter.

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09 Aug 2007, 6:02 pm

Sedaka wrote:

Ragtime wrote:

Sedaka wrote:

why is that so hard to conceive

(No pun intended.)

you never entend the humor that is found in many of your posts.........

keep your 2 copper, plz

You're royally pissed @ me aren't you?

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09 Aug 2007, 6:02 pm

Elemental wrote:

Hadron wrote:

Your arguements are based on the premise that gay people are born gay. I dont think it is true at all.

I'm inclined to trust the accounts of people who actually are gay, over you.

Gay people are biased too. Remember that.

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09 Aug 2007, 6:04 pm

Elemental wrote:

Sedaka wrote:

were you denied a green card or something?

what a piece of work you are...

why exactly would massacres insue? lost me there....

things will change in the US eventually....

What arguements have you shot down exactly, I think the economic ones that I am going for stand actually.
As for me being a troll, Cal invited me here from Intensity. Nice try, but no cigar.

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09 Aug 2007, 6:06 pm

Hadron wrote:

Elemental wrote:

Hadron wrote:

Your arguements are based on the premise that gay people are born gay. I dont think it is true at all.

I'm inclined to trust the accounts of people who actually are gay, over you.

Gay people are biased too. Remember that.

Yes but there's more chance they know what they're talking about.
Either I'm right and I didn't choose to be gay, or I'm lying (although why anyone would choose this s**t is beyond me)
Whereas with you, whether you're lying or not, you still don't have first hand experience of this, so you don't know.

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09 Aug 2007, 6:07 pm

Hadron wrote:

How exactly does autism relate to this debate exactly? Two entirely different issues.

Different issues, similar problems, misjudgement, discimination, bullied, depression, suicidals. Get it?

If you think gay people are not born this way, and they choose it.
How can you be sure if autistic people are born that way too, maybe the refrigerator mothers theory appeals to you more.

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09 Aug 2007, 6:08 pm

It is a lie that homosexuality is a choice... a lie propagated by hate groups.

You can't choose your sexual orientation, or your skin color.

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09 Aug 2007, 6:11 pm

JoeCapricorn wrote:

"Incidents" of homosexuality will rise when homosexuality is more socially acceptable - People who were in the closet will come out. However, it will still be a minority, homosexuality is harmless.

And even more so, when it becomes
not just acceptable but fashionable.

Indeed, in cultures where 'twas the
norm to be bi, I doubt many avoided
it. THIS is what worries me - like our tastes
in what is attractive, sexuality is not something
purely determined by birth. Cultural norms
effect it. Just as they do religion, and many
other supposed 'choices'. I have to take other
people's words on what they feel - BUT, I know
that people claim advertising doesn't effect them
either.

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09 Aug 2007, 6:11 pm

greenblue wrote:

Hadron wrote:

How exactly does autism relate to this debate exactly? Two entirely different issues.

The small difference of Autistic children showing symptoms at a young age and gay people deciding that they are gay at age 16 or there abouts.
Joe Capricorn. Prove its a lie then. Oh whoops, you cant!

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