If a girl is raped and pregnant, should she keep the baby?

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I choose to reply the same way as I am spoken to out of respect for how others wish to communicate.

It's not about time, it's about quantifiably ascertaining what is human.

well I think so, (i'm still looking for defects so I have reason to bonk my daughter on the head and call the whole thing off) but I don't think thats what the OP was talking about.

What is it they used to expose them to?

Oh, and that makes everything okay. (SARCASM).

Pregnancy is very hard on a woman's physical health and carries a lot of risks. Diabetes, fistula, etc. Nobody is obliged to go through this for anyone else's sake.

Correct, you are free not to get pregnant, who is arguing with you about that?

A. Nothing justifies that style of discourse. Throw around a "fool." or "idiot" if you please; go as far as swine if you choose. But that way you diss obnly yourself.

B. I was and am serious, not jesting.

C. What DO they teach them these days?. Or are you faking as I have to think ruveyn was? Modern urban: you take the unwanted stork delivery, wrap him or her in a plastic bag and place her or him in a convenient dustbin. Older urban: you take the unwanted stork delivery, wrap him or her in a cloth ans set her or him on some prosperous steps, preferably church or orphanage. Still older rural: you take the unwanted stork delivery, wrap him or her in a cloth, or not, and set her or him out in the field, in the woods, on the mountain where the elements and beasts will take care of the problem, IF a passerby does not pick up and care for the cjild in which case he DOES depose you and take your kingdom after all.

Review the story of Snow White.

Every unwanted pregnancy should.

I don't see how do you manage to reduce that into "an act of violence".

Any good reason why they shouldn't be free not to stay pregnant? It is their bodies (aka not yours) anyway.



We would need to find a way to transplant into male bodies too. For some reason, men pro-lifers tend to be very passionate about it...

Yet if you consider how Inuyasha escaped the question about why he is not adopting anyone after suggesting so much that the "solution" is for the women to have children and just put them to adoption. I would guess that your question is Socratic .

Have you read the thread title? Rape is one cause of involuntary pregnancy. Where does that leave a woman's freedom to not get pregnant?

Inuyasha may state his own reason.

Me - adoption is a great idea and I have seen it saif that all kinds of people would love to adopt - but tried to adopt once and was ringingly turned down.

One had the impression the authorities wanted as adoptive parents only the kind of people who would least want to adopt.

BUT - got a niece with two adoptive young, knew a family with never fewer than about ten fosters.

Anyway, bud, haec mala sunt sed tu.

We're also free to decide that if we do get pregnant, we're gobbling some RU486 as soon as possible.

Er, I think he is arguing against "pregnancy is harmful" not necessarily involving rape, in these particular posts.
Yeah, the thread is about rape, but "pregnancy is very hard on a woman's physical health........" goes beyond rape.

I'm curious what some of the pro-life people here (and everybody else, too) think about plan B (prevents pregnancy) or RU-486 (medical abortion, as opposed to surgical abortion) very early after a rape. Do you think that pharmacies and/or pharmacists should have a right to refuse to dispense plan B, even for a woman with a prescription? Do you think that plan B should be available off the shelf? Do you think that efforts should be made to make these drugs available to women without access to drug stores and/or health clinics (not, that's not a rare or unusual situation)?

What exactly is "Plan B" - you will understand I do not follow this stuff - differing how from the standard hormonal adjusting pills [not without problems] or the other systems [neither infallible nor without problems] being pushed in the 60s?

I immediately think of "Special K" and "Windows XP" which they tried to convince us did NOT stand for experimental - but that is just how my mental associations work.

As for what you are labelling "medical abortion" - updating the Wise Woman's herbal concoction - any objection to abortion is an objection to abortion, surely.

Like if I shoot my neighbour it does not count as a different thing from poisoning him.

No, by Brain Activity, I actually mean there is quite literally brain activity 48 days after conception. The Brain, Spinal Cord, and heart are among the first things to form. The "random electrical activity" as you call it is coming from the child's brain not nonexistent nerve endings like you are claiming.

@ LKL

You want to know why I have a problem with feminists in general, is your attitude that flaunts the idea that you consider children to somehow be nothing more than property or a parasite.

I consider rape to be a horrible thing, that does not mean you then have the right to go and murder an innocent child. Furthermore as far as risking your life carrying the child, NEWSFLASH you are risking your life walking on a sidewalk or crossing a street.

For the last time, deciding that you are not going to donate your body is not murder. If that were true I am a murderer right now for not donating my right kidney, lung, part of my liver, etc.

And your point about risking your life? You are seriously arguing that since people take controlled risks every day it is okay to force them into one? Well by that logic you have no right to refuse to risk complications to your own health by not donating a kidney right now. Selfish 'Yasha, someone's right to live is more important than your right not to have your oblique walls cut open. Go donate, yeah?

Heart, lungs, kidney, etc. donations are a permanent thing.

A pregnency only lasts about 9 months.

Thus you are using a classic False equivalency and are attempting to appeal to emotion because you know you can't win the debate using facts and logic.

They're equivalent in that body autonomy is taking precedence over the absolute right to life. They're equivalent in that someone is not obliged to risk their health to save anyone's life.

Do you think someone should be compelled, if it were possibly, to temporarily donate an organ because there is someone who needs it, and have it reimplanted later? If not, why not...?

No, you are using a classic form of sticking your fingers in your ears and yelling NA NA NA NA I CAN'T HEAR YOU

Because pregnancy may last an average of 9 months, but the effects from it are LIFELONG.

Don't think I'm telling the truth? My perineum tore all the way from my vagina to my anus (and tore my anus as well) when I gave birth and they had to stitch it up. It still hurts when I take a crap. A year later.

And someone I work with pisses her pants every day if she walks too quickly and jarrs her body at all because her abdominal muscles were destroyed. And two 'corrective' surgeries have yet to 'fix' her because she is not fixable.

And someone else I know had to have a histerectomy or risk bleeding to death during delivery.

And my cousin with Type 1 diabetes has not recovered yet from her C-section that she had almost 3 years ago.

And then there are the women who DIE from complications during pregnancy and/or delivery. Those effects are quite certainly permanent.

How are these things illogical? These things are factual. You are being illogical by ignoring them. And of course it's easy to have a flippant attitude about pregnancy if you know you will never be pregnant, let alone be forced to continue one.

Having a romanticized view of pregnancy and delivery is not productive in these arguments. It just makes you sound like a jerk.