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09 Aug 2007, 6:12 pm

Sedaka wrote:

do you actually think the count of autism cases is on the rise, or that we're better defining them...


I think both.



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09 Aug 2007, 6:12 pm

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Simple biology, dearie. Adam and Steve together dont make kids, end of.


LOL. So, I assume you are also against marriages where one of the partners:

Is infertile
Had a vasectomy or hysterectomy in the past
Is post-menopausal


And that these are reasons for breaking
a marriage.



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09 Aug 2007, 6:16 pm

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Your arguements are based on the premise that gay people are born gay. I dont think it is true at all.


I'm inclined to trust the accounts of people who actually are gay, over you.

Gay people are biased too. Remember that.

Yes but there's more chance they know what they're talking about.
Either I'm right and I didn't choose to be gay, or I'm lying (although why anyone would choose this sh** is beyond me)
Whereas with you, whether you're lying or not, you still don't have first hand experience of this, so you don't know.

No I do not have first hand experience of this quite true. But I have talked to people who have, and many of these people seem to be being gay as attention seeking, to differenciate themselves from the crowd.



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09 Aug 2007, 6:17 pm

Hadron wrote:
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were you denied a green card or something?

what a piece of work you are...

why exactly would massacres insue? lost me there....

things will change in the US eventually....


I suspect he's a troll, who doesn't actually believe any of the drivel he's saying but just wants to antagonise people. I don't really care, I'm just shooting down his arguments as they come up so that anyone reading this casually is aware of the flaws.

What arguements have you shot down exactly, I think the economic ones that I am going for stand actually.
As for me being a troll, Cal invited me here from Intensity. Nice try, but no cigar.

Yes, I also suspected he was a troll.
1. New user, registered yesterday
2. Comming to this forum, saying a lot of anti-gay stuff, which I doubt he really cares, maybe he just wants to annoy someone.
3. Intensity
4. Obviously you knew Sopho, I suspect he might be the same user who joined another forum in the past, annoying her, I could be wrong on this though.


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09 Aug 2007, 6:18 pm

Sopho wrote:
Hadron wrote:
Elemental wrote:
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Your arguements are based on the premise that gay people are born gay. I dont think it is true at all.


I'm inclined to trust the accounts of people who actually are gay, over you.

Gay people are biased too. Remember that.

Yes but there's more chance they know what they're talking about.
Either I'm right and I didn't choose to be gay, or I'm lying (although why anyone would choose this sh** is beyond me)
Whereas with you, whether you're lying or not, you still don't have first hand experience of this, so you don't know.

No I do not have first hand experience of this quite true. But I have talked to people who have, and many of these people seem to be being gay as attention seeking, to differenciate themselves from the crowd.



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09 Aug 2007, 6:19 pm

Hadron wrote:
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How exactly does autism relate to this debate exactly? Two entirely different issues.

Different issues, similar problems, misjudgement, discimination, bullied, depression, suicidals. Get it?

If you think gay people are not born this way, and they choose it.
How can you be sure if autistic people are born that way too, maybe the refrigerator mothers theory appeals to you more.

The small difference of Autistic children showing symptoms at a young age and gay people deciding that they are gay at age 16 or there abouts.
Joe Capricorn. Prove its a lie then. Oh whoops, you cant!

Not deciding they're gay at 16 - admitting they're gay at 16. I remember liking girls when I was about 6. So you could say I showed the 'signs' of gayness around the same time I showed the signs of AS. 8)



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09 Aug 2007, 6:20 pm

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Translation: Dear Sopho has lost the arguement and is a sore loser.
So what is my "type" anyway, go on. If you really want you can call me out on Intensity if you like.


i dont get that at all for your alls' posts


also (im several pgs behind due to net issues) what economic things would homo. rights suppress the hets?

sorry if i missed.... again... net... can refer me to a pg lol


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09 Aug 2007, 6:21 pm

greenblue wrote:
Hadron wrote:
Elemental wrote:
Sedaka wrote:
were you denied a green card or something?

what a piece of work you are...

why exactly would massacres insue? lost me there....

things will change in the US eventually....


I suspect he's a troll, who doesn't actually believe any of the drivel he's saying but just wants to antagonise people. I don't really care, I'm just shooting down his arguments as they come up so that anyone reading this casually is aware of the flaws.

What arguements have you shot down exactly, I think the economic ones that I am going for stand actually.
As for me being a troll, Cal invited me here from Intensity. Nice try, but no cigar.

Yes, I also suspected he was a troll.
1. New user, registered yesterday
2. Comming to this forum, saying a lot of anti-gay stuff, which I doubt he really cares, maybe he just wants to annoy someone.
3. Intensity
4. Obviously you knew Sopho, I suspect he might be the same user who joined another forum in the past, annoying her, I could be wrong on this though.

1. I had this site pointed out to me by someone else.
2. I assume Aspies would accept a different perspective on matters, obviously not.
3. That just happened to be a website I landed on, lets guess you couldnt take the heat.
4. Nope, never knew Sopho at all, the intensity remark was a comment i assumed most WP members would get.
As for attempting to call me a troll, what a neat way of hiding the fact you cant debate. How clever... :roll:



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09 Aug 2007, 6:22 pm

Sedaka wrote:
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Could one possibly use looser logic? It's just all kinds of apples-to-oranges precedents...

What?
It's still fruit.
I was replying to the point that gay people can't get married because they supposedly can't have kids. Neither can old people or infertile people, yet they can get married. What's wrong with my logic there?


Because that's not WHY gay people can't get married. It may be a part of the reason, but not nearly all of it.


so then, all great-wise-knowing-one, why is she angry

Beats me! She's got everything she wants: not married, allowed to be married to a woman, and full WrongPlanet posting privileges -- seems to me her glass is half full.
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(you're gonna be a very handsom candidate for some homo. sucking experiments by tge time we're done with you)


Are you volunteering to be the control? It's been four years...my memory will need refreshing... ;)



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09 Aug 2007, 6:22 pm

Hadron wrote:
Sopho wrote:
Hadron wrote:
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Your arguements are based on the premise that gay people are born gay. I dont think it is true at all.


I'm inclined to trust the accounts of people who actually are gay, over you.

Gay people are biased too. Remember that.

Yes but there's more chance they know what they're talking about.
Either I'm right and I didn't choose to be gay, or I'm lying (although why anyone would choose this sh** is beyond me)
Whereas with you, whether you're lying or not, you still don't have first hand experience of this, so you don't know.

No I do not have first hand experience of this quite true. But I have talked to people who have, and many of these people seem to be being gay as attention seeking, to differenciate themselves from the crowd.

Some are like that yes. You can say that of some people from alsorts of different groups though. Most of the gay people I've known have been the complete opposite though. And I definately never wanted to be gay. I tried for years to be straight.



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09 Aug 2007, 6:22 pm

greenblue wrote:
Hadron wrote:
Elemental wrote:
Sedaka wrote:
were you denied a green card or something?

what a piece of work you are...

why exactly would massacres insue? lost me there....

things will change in the US eventually....


I suspect he's a troll, who doesn't actually believe any of the drivel he's saying but just wants to antagonise people. I don't really care, I'm just shooting down his arguments as they come up so that anyone reading this casually is aware of the flaws.

What arguements have you shot down exactly, I think the economic ones that I am going for stand actually.
As for me being a troll, Cal invited me here from Intensity. Nice try, but no cigar.

Yes, I also suspected he was a troll.
1. New user, registered yesterday
2. Comming to this forum, saying a lot of anti-gay stuff, which I doubt he really cares, maybe he just wants to annoy someone.
3. Intensity
4. Obviously you knew Sopho, I suspect he might be the same user who joined another forum in the past, annoying her, I could be wrong on this though.

1. I had this site pointed out to me by someone else.
2. I assume Aspies would accept a different perspective on matters, obviously not.
3. That just happened to be a website I landed on, lets guess you couldnt take the heat.
4. Nope, never knew Sopho at all, the intensity remark was a comment i assumed most WP members would get.
As for attempting to call me a troll, what a neat way of hiding the fact you cant debate. How clever... :roll:



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09 Aug 2007, 6:25 pm

Hadron wrote:
Elemental wrote:
Sedaka wrote:
were you denied a green card or something?

what a piece of work you are...

why exactly would massacres insue? lost me there....

things will change in the US eventually....


I suspect he's a troll, who doesn't actually believe any of the drivel he's saying but just wants to antagonise people. I don't really care, I'm just shooting down his arguments as they come up so that anyone reading this casually is aware of the flaws.

What arguements have you shot down exactly, I think the economic ones that I am going for stand actually.
As for me being a troll, Cal invited me here from Intensity. Nice try, but no cigar.

Your economic arguments are quite interesting my friend.
Maybe women shouldn't work, they should just study to be house wives?
You know, a lot of women prefer to have a career than having a family, this can be an economical problem, child birth is being reduced because of those damn equal rights thing. Something must be done.


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09 Aug 2007, 6:26 pm

Hadron wrote:
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Encoraging people to be homosexual has economic and social implications on the society in which that happens. That is my issue with it, i have no religious prejudices or anything like that. The implications affect the vast majority of people who are not gay, and I believe their rights are a big part of the equation.

Their rights? The straight people's right to stop the gay people getting married?
And you can't encourage people to be gay - they either are or they aren't. It will always be that people are encouraged to be straight over gay, because the vast majority of society is straight. It will never be that kids grow up and think they'll be gay instead of straight because society encourages that. All that would be encouraged is for people to be in a relationship with the person they want to be with, rather that forcing themselves to be straight when they're not. That benefits society.

Explain being Bisexual then. I thought you said people are or they are not gay.
As for people being gay, i believe it is choice people make, not a predisposition. I would like to think people have some control over their own actions.


plz pm ragtime about his uber stringant experimentations with exploring homo. attraction lol

have you had relations with men? if you have.... why do you ask about bisexuality?


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09 Aug 2007, 6:27 pm

Hadron wrote:
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Translation: Dear Sopho has lost the arguement and is a sore loser.
So what is my "type" anyway, go on. If you really want you can call me out on Intensity if you like.

I didn't even know you were on Intensity. I might do, but I can't be arsed getting into another thread right now.
Your 'type' is arrogant, conservative, mindless idiot.
I definately havn't lost any argument here lol

I suppose I could be arrogant, but the other three words are incorrect totally. If you are having to step into personal attacks, what does it say about your debating skills?


do patronizing is a good debating skill, then?


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09 Aug 2007, 6:28 pm

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so then, all great-wise-knowing-one, why is she angry

Beats me! She's got everything she wants: not married, allowed to be married to a woman, and full WrongPlanet posting privileges -- seems to me her glass is half full.

I'm on anti-depressants ffs, my life is hardly great...



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09 Aug 2007, 6:28 pm

Sopho wrote:
Hadron wrote:
Sopho wrote:
Hadron wrote:
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Your arguements are based on the premise that gay people are born gay. I dont think it is true at all.


I'm inclined to trust the accounts of people who actually are gay, over you.

Gay people are biased too. Remember that.

Yes but there's more chance they know what they're talking about.
Either I'm right and I didn't choose to be gay, or I'm lying (although why anyone would choose this sh** is beyond me)
Whereas with you, whether you're lying or not, you still don't have first hand experience of this, so you don't know.

No I do not have first hand experience of this quite true. But I have talked to people who have, and many of these people seem to be being gay as attention seeking, to differenciate themselves from the crowd.

Some are like that yes. You can say that of some people from alsorts of different groups though. Most of the gay people I've known have been the complete opposite though. And I definately never wanted to be gay. I tried for years to be straight.

Right you have now hit my point with the first point. These some people are the problem, they are the ones who because of misguided attention seeking are now not going to move on to have children. This is what I was initially getting at, by promoting homosexuality you are evidently going to have more of them. Which then leads to the economic and other problems that go with this behavior.