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26 Jan 2011, 9:34 pm

I believe that utopia is an egotistical premise and that the only way anything like it would ever be achieved is if people stopped believing a perfect world could be attained through picking a right ideology and identifying a wrong one and weeding out an opposition who they feel is preventing it.



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26 Jan 2011, 9:41 pm

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its up to people to decide for themselves but if you ask me it is real and it does work.


I think it works too. I just don't think there is any science behind it. The placebo affect is incredible powerful (is some studies it cures 70% of patients), but it is just a mind trick. I don't think things like "negative energy" exist.

What would I add? Fusion power, a larger emphasis on individual freedom, Environmentalism advocated as a Scientific and not a moral/social ideology (which it so often is today). And free ice cream on Tuesdays :D


Well, if negative energy means negative thoughts and negative mood, I think there'd be some validity to it. I'm of the mind that precise meaning is very difficult to transmit through language and that words that mean one thing to one person might not mean the same thing to another based off of differences in experiences tied to a given word. We think of thoughts as just something mundane, when in reality there's actually a lot that's profound in the daily the state of being. Its what one's whole reality is based in, so if they use language, like "energy". to describe negative or positive activity of their own subconscious or the collective unconscious, since people are constantly exchanging emotions and influencing one another's reality . I can understand the language in an abstract sense.



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26 Jan 2011, 9:47 pm

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Healthy food for everybody.


No thank. I like my fried chicken.

You will have to pry my cheeseburger out of my cold, dead hands before I start eating salad.


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26 Jan 2011, 9:58 pm

A gently undulating sine wave


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26 Jan 2011, 10:09 pm

in a personal utopia, a house in the middle of a field. No neighbors for 2 miles in every direction. Part under ground, part above ground.

In a utopia in which I would like to see society be in is one of those urban concrete and glass futures as seen in I, Robot and Minority Report.

Just stylistic, I know. I can't get in the mindset of what I think society should be emotionally. Oh, here's one: I'd like to see a trend in increased interest in learning and education where being a nerd or a geek and an intellectual is cool and they don't bully but take the underprivileged and the slower learners and tutor them.


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26 Jan 2011, 10:12 pm

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American deportation is rare but it isn't illegal or unconstitutional.


Specify. Statute and Case.

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26 Jan 2011, 10:58 pm

a resident alien can be deported under certain circumstances like if they were a criminal. http://immigration.findlaw.com/immigrat ... rview.html

natural US citizens can't be deported.


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26 Jan 2011, 11:15 pm

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American deportation is rare but it isn't illegal or unconstitutional.


Specify. Statute and Case.

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http://supreme.justia.com/us/356/86/case.html
http://supreme.justia.com/us/356/86/case.html#93

Following this, an action that shows a clear renunciation of your citizenship could result in a loss of citizenship, I would say treason(in support of a foreign state) falls under this.

Sorry it took so long I couldn't remember the name so I had to find it again.



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26 Jan 2011, 11:18 pm

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No thank. I like my fried chicken.


Oh, that reminds me. I'm amending my vision of utopia.

Canada, only a little warmer, and with US-style KFC. (I don't know what it is, but the chicken at Canadian KFCs just don't taste right-- and the ones I've been to don't even serve biscuits.)



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26 Jan 2011, 11:21 pm

My utopia would be a society that

-Puts freedom over security
-Keeps gun control and drug restrictions to a minimum
-Has flat taxes
-Implements Castle Doctrine which applies to cars and houses
-Structures the safety net only for those that really need it
-Gears social programs towards teaching people to fish rather than giving em a fish a day
-Uses prison labour instead of death sentences or leaving em to rot
-Is only interventionist when it comes to tyrannical governments or direct attacks
-Maintains small government fiscally and socially
-Strictly enforces the abuse of the system by both workers and bosses



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27 Jan 2011, 2:54 am

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Following this, an action that shows a clear renunciation of your citizenship could result in a loss of citizenship, I would say treason(in support of a foreign state) falls under this.

Sorry it took so long I couldn't remember the name so I had to find it again.


Wishing an agonizing and incurable skin disease upon Congress-Critters is NOT renouncing one's citizen ship. It is simply being p*ssed off by the dishonest and base behavior of our politicians and "leaders".

A person born in the U.S.A. who hates his government but in no way aligns with another nation cannot be legally deported for holding a view hostile to the U.S. government. In fact any sane rational person seeing what the U.S. government does to its own people ought to hate it.

If one does not love the U.S. government, he does not have to leave the U.S.. He can stay and hate his government. As long as he pays his taxes he will stay out of jail.

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27 Jan 2011, 7:06 am

ruveyn wrote:
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Following this, an action that shows a clear renunciation of your citizenship could result in a loss of citizenship, I would say treason(in support of a foreign state) falls under this.

Sorry it took so long I couldn't remember the name so I had to find it again.


Wishing an agonizing and incurable skin disease upon Congress-Critters is NOT renouncing one's citizen ship. It is simply being p*ssed off by the dishonest and base behavior of our politicians and "leaders".

A person born in the U.S.A. who hates his government but in no way aligns with another nation cannot be legally deported for holding a view hostile to the U.S. government. In fact any sane rational person seeing what the U.S. government does to its own people ought to hate it.

If one does not love the U.S. government, he does not have to leave the U.S.. He can stay and hate his government. As long as he pays his taxes he will stay out of jail.

ruveyn


And? That was never my argument, the deportation of Americans being legal was my argument. This shows that there are precedents which would allow an American to be deported, albeit in extreme cases. Although I now actually doubt this has happened



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27 Jan 2011, 7:26 am

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Well, if negative energy means negative thoughts and negative mood, I think there'd be some validity to it.


Yes, but "negative energy" is a bit of a misnomer, as it does nothing but shrouding a well known psychological phenomena in New Age mumbo-jumbo.

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I agree. All hail O/H ! !

Also, my Utopia involves no America. Too much BS invasions, corruption and homeless people.


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27 Jan 2011, 10:39 am

my utopia would look like the inside of my eyelids at the moment.

i have trouble opening my eyes and brain in the morning lately, but i am forced to do so.

utopia is where i can keep my eyes shut and waft through the neverland painted by my mind on the inside of my eyelids without the cold cruel world shaking me to wake up.

i am in a rather bad way at the moment. i want to sleep my life off.



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27 Jan 2011, 11:19 am

Chevand wrote:
skafather84 wrote:
PatrickNeville wrote:
Healthy food for everybody.


No thank. I like my fried chicken.


Oh, that reminds me. I'm amending my vision of utopia.

Canada, only a little warmer, and with US-style KFC. (I don't know what it is, but the chicken at Canadian KFCs just don't taste right-- and the ones I've been to don't even serve biscuits.)


That's just KFC; their chicken sucks (though, the no biscuits thing is weird). Popeye's is way better.


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27 Jan 2011, 11:48 am

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Healthy food for everybody.


No thank. I like my fried chicken.

You will have to pry my cheeseburger out of my cold, dead hands before I start eating salad.


For you sir, a nice quorn burger lol


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