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28 Jul 2009, 8:55 am

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That's a very interesting viewpoint. People have been slaughtering each other for centuries and therefore Israel is above criticism for doing the same thing. What the hell. It's only human.

I really don't believe you don't know what's going on in Gaza.

That's wasn't the viewpoint ,
The argument,which u obvious missed(as expected) was that Israel,unlike all the countries mentioned above,is not slaughtering the Palestinians but is in a long complicated battle for it's survival and i wasn't saying that Israel is above criticism(i criticize Israel all the time) but was saying that your input is worth less because you r hypocrite and ignorant who compares the situation in Gaza to the situation in the Warsaw Ghetto
criticism should be as fair and as objective as possible and yours in anything but/

i do not care what u believe
i have friends in Gaza which i help the best i could and i talk with them on a regular basis
i know real life
all u know is politics and propaganda

The everlasting pleading about how Israel is on the point of total destruction is a rather disgusting whine from a country possessing atomic weapons and one of the most powerful military forces in the area. Please!!

but i wasn't saying that,
u seems to translate anything to the extreme while reality is much more complex .
having atomic weapons doesn't help when dealing with the Palestinians and the Hezbollah
nor does having powerful army

the place needs a solution which will work for both sides
attempt at solutions were made in the last 20 years(which ppl in this thread choose to ignore because it doesn't fit to the picture of israel as the big Satan)
but none reached so far so the problem is still there
that why i comment on your distorted,uninformed and one sidedness view of the situation as it in a way of getting an agreement

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28 Jul 2009, 9:00 am

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If Israel were blockaded and deprived of food and power and medicine and other basic essentials by the powerful military of the Palestinians in Gaza I might at least have some consideration for your argument. At present your presentation makes you appear demented.

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28 Jul 2009, 9:13 am

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I've only seen one person with ignorant, hypacritical veiws in this thread and that's you nara44. In nearly every other post you are calling someone a holocaust denier who twists the truth because they hate jews. You should feel ashamed trivialising what the jewish race have endured in their history, most moderate jews would feel sick by some of the things you have posted in this thread.

typically to posters in this thread you too doesn't care too much about facts
every post ?
i was using the term only when dealing with someone equating the situation in Gaza to the situation in WW2 ghetto
and rightly so
and u would know that if u care to learn history

I posted in this thread my support for the Palestinians state
My interest in dismantling all the settlements
my active role in the peace moment here and my support in asking forgiveness for the pal's
i even wrote that i don't mind giving up on the existence of the state of Israel for true peace
yet u choose to see me as an extremists while supporting people who didn't even bother to deal with the facts i presented because all they are interested in is the worst kind of demeguge

please tell me ,if unlike other people here u r capable of handling facts honestly,
why do u think a person willing to give up his national identity for peace is less moderate than you ?
do you think that supporting extremist just because they are from the opposite side makes you a moderate ?
it doesn't
it is just show that like too many people u care about appearance more than about substance

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28 Jul 2009, 9:30 am

palestinian children should not be taught how to throw rocks.
it is against the law to throw rocks. since there are so many rocks lying around on the streets, they just pick them up and start throwing.

then when law enforcement arrives and demands they stop throwing rocks, they throw the rocks at them, and then out come the water cannons and rubber bullet guns, and they can not seemingly supress the instinct of these people to throw rocks.
they must really enjoy throwing rocks if they persist in the face of water cannons.

so clean up all the rocks and ban rock throwing education, and they may choose another game like tennis.

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28 Jul 2009, 9:36 am

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typically to posters in this thread you too doesn't care too much about facts
every post ?

I actually said "Every other post". The fact you are taking it over-literally only highlights a lack of logic on your part.

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i was using the term only when dealing with someone equating the situation in Gaza to the situation in WW2 ghetto
and rightly so

Gaza, you mean that place where at times, all the borders have been blocked, noone has been allowed to enter or leave and at times food/fuel-aid hasn't been able to reach their destination. You mean that place where the power-grid and emergency back-up generators in hospitals have gone down because of a rather rediculous embargo-type strategy by israel? Conditions were better in apartheid south-africa than gaza.

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and u would know that if u care to learn history

"Agree with me 100% or else u r stoopid!". Nice attempt at stiffling conversation.

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yet u choose to see me as an extremists while supporting people who didn't even bother to deal with the facts i presented because all they are interested in is the worst kind of demeguge

What you would personally do has nothing to do with this conversation. In the thread you have constantly said that palestians are treated good by israel, the vast majority of palestines and irsaeli's are friends, and you have painted a picture of grass-meadows with people jumping around with kites. The picture you are painting is not accurate and a direct insult to the palestinians currently suffering.

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please tell me ,if unlike other people here u r capable of handling facts honestly,
why do u think a person willing to give up his national identity for peace is less moderate than you ?

I never claimed you were an extremist and i never claimed you were less moderate than me, you insinuation just points towards the fact that you are not treating the facts objectively and are too emotionally involved.

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do you think that supporting extremist just because they are from the opposite side makes you a moderate ?
it doesn't

I haven't supported hamas or any palestinian terrorist group in this thread, I haven't even shared any veiws on the current situation. I merely commented that you are twisting everything people says and inaccurately trying to portray them as racists, extremists, or sadists.

Nearly every post you have wrote so far has been wrote in the following fashion. "If you don't agree with me then you have [insert belief here]." Instead of conversing with people, you are just placing beliefs onto them and attacking them.

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it is just show that like too many people u care about appearance more than about substance

And then you go smearing people with beliefs again. Instead of attacking what people have actually said, it's easier to hallucinate something and attack that right?

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28 Jul 2009, 9:41 am

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To provoke a member of the IDF by waving a tennis racquet at him and receiving a bullet in return might prove bad propaganda for Israel. Rocks are more acceptable.

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28 Jul 2009, 9:49 am

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again, the same old tiring disregard for facts,Palestinian kids aren't educated to throw rock,they learn how to murder in cold blood,
ppl her mistake the pal's for being Ghandi like but the pal's committed the worst acts ever comiited as part of their national struggle
like going into a house and murdering kids in front of their mother,
blowing up piza parlors and discos full of kids
the killing of civilians is the trademark of the Palestinian liberation moment
mostly kids and elderly as they are the one who use the buses here

let them throw rocks as much as they like
i myself don't mind throwing rock at the IDF
some of my best friends do it (i'm too old)
that's not to say that part of an education of any child should include lesson in peace and compromise and nonviolent solution to problem
at least
that what i learned in school

try to throw rock at the army in syria or joradan
they will kill u on the spot
at least in Israel it is quite safe
water canon and tear gas never killed or maimed anyone

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28 Jul 2009, 10:04 am

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let's see
when one of the posters here called the rule of engagement in the last operation a thuggery,sadistic tactic, i took the time and effort to explain the reality of urban warfare against guerrilla.
accused of sadistic behavior i try to lay out some factual info

and on top of that u say i'm twisting other people positions
honestly i do not know how to portray you but I'm sure it wouldn't come out the nicest picture

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28 Jul 2009, 10:08 am

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never said that,
i summed up some facts to try to convince people that we are not the worst country in the world

again,i find it very ironic that u r accusing me of twisting other people words

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28 Jul 2009, 10:18 am

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To provoke a member of the IDF by waving a tennis racquet at him and receiving a bullet in return might prove bad propaganda for Israel. Rocks are more acceptable.

why would the "israeli defense force" ? (is that what IDF stands for?) be worried about tennis? the streets are "clean" if there are only tennis balls being belted about.

rocks are not a wise thing to get interested in unless you are a geologist.
but wisdom is not a hallmark of people who only can only find rocks to assert themselves accurately.

remove the rocks from their streets. if they protest about the removal of the rocks, then if it is because they like the "rural" look of rocks in their street, then the answer is simple. replace the real rocks rocks with painted styrofoam replicas. that should keep them happy among their "rubble" and also reduce the impact factor of their games of throwing "stones".

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28 Jul 2009, 10:23 am

nara44 wrote:

b9 wrote:

palestinian children should not be taught how to .....

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again, the same old tiring disregard for facts,

i am not serious in this thread so save your calories. i am joking and some people know it i hope.

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28 Jul 2009, 11:10 am

b9 wrote:

nara44 wrote:

b9 wrote:

palestinian children should not be taught how to .....

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again, the same old tiring disregard for facts,

i am not serious in this thread so save your calories. i am joking and some people know it i hope.

it's OK
I'm into loosing calories
I'm stuck in front of the machine anyway and am trying to use the time to improve my horrible English

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28 Jul 2009, 11:33 am

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28 Jul 2009, 12:57 pm

Sand wrote:

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Orwell wrote:

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killing as many Palestinians as possible and taking their land.

If this were true, there would be no Palestinians left. The Israelis have the capability to relegate Palestine and Lebanon to the history books, and yet they have not done so. Does this tell you anything?

That's assuming Israel would face no repercussions from the world stage if they were to do such actions. They've been careful to do enough to not provoke an out and out war from any of the European or Asian powers while still doing as much possible in the way of oppression, continuance of the building of settlements, and using thug tactics (shoot first, human shield, shooting unarmed civilians, use of white phosphorus in heavily civilian areas) when engaging militarily with people who are roughly 30 or 40 years behind technologically. These actions are not that of a country looking for any kind of peace with their neighbors. It's not to say the citizens are responsible but that their unchecked leadership and the extremes of religion are responsible.

i must say that i was surprised to encounter such ignorance and simplistic set of mind in an AS site
AS suppose to be well informed and into details and complexities but this thread sound like a cliche
like some twisted parody of an hate site
the AS i know prefer knowledge upon preconceptions
i don't care so much for your idea but your ignorance is appalling
and ignorance breed hate and death
what i like best (not) about american and European posters is the high nose altitude that goes like "oh,the Jew and the Arabs are so primitive and violent and stupid,let's them kill each other so we can munch on out gigantic hamburger quitly"

provoke war with what powers ?
the Russian who are slaughtering their minorities,leveling entire cities, for centuries with not as much as a sqwick from the "enlightened" world
with the Chinese who are behind the worst war crimes in our times
Do u think that any one in Israel gives a dame about the Europeans
most of them collaborated very happily with the genocide of our people and it wasn't so long ago
my parents experienced it first hand
seriously,only total moron would listen to an American or a European lecturing moral values
u r the worst
Israel would never steep to your level
and it never did

now some info which would probably wasted on your narrow minds
shooting first is very bad but it is not a thug tactics but a necessity when u fight in an crowded urban area where any civilian could draw a weapon
Israelis cares more about their soldiers live than on the enemy, we are not holly like you,we love our children a bit more then we love our enemy children
(many of the enemy children are getting first rate treatment in Israeli hospitals and are cared for free of charge by Israeli volunteers,(this too must remind some of you
of the ways Jewish ghetto children were treated by the Nazis))
did the American or the European ever bothered to phone people in a war zone to give them time to find shelter ?
no,they just wiped and entire village in order to get the cousin of some terrorist
and they r doing it half a world a way without a single shot or a rocket ever fired at them
Israel took thousands of them for years,from an areas we cleared in order to give some chance to positive and peaceful process,and when finally there is no alternative but to go in and stop the targeting of Israeli civilians it turns out that Israel is worst than the Nazis
u have to be a total moron to even imagine that anyone gives a @ about your nonsense
Do you think that possessing a modern army obligate you to sit still and watch your people killed and cities targeted just because the enemy is possessing not as advances weaponry as you ?
it must be great to be you,lot of fun/

i find it interesting that all the people in this thread so conveniently ignoring that it was Israel who invited Arafat and the PLO back to the region
supplied him with weapons and facilities
(his brothers the Jordanian slaughtered ten of thousands of his people and kicked him away but king Husein would be always remembered as a man of peace,probably because his wife so beautiful and talks English with the right american accent)
life could be so easy if only the facts would support your hatred of Israel,the ethnic cleanser,the "jenocider",the wrath of the world
unfortunately for the ignoramus facts are available
the Arab-Israeli conflict led to the death of about 60,000 Arabs,most of them in a war initiated by the Arabs,few thousands of them are Palestinians
and this number is for a conflicts that rages on for more than a 100 years
the worst conflict in the world who "enjoys" the most attention to it from the media and the international organization
many people,even on this thread comapres it to the holocaust no less

does any one knows the number of Arabs killed by Arabs in the last centuries ?
the number of Muslims killed in European by the Russian and in Bosnia
by France in Algiers
by Somalia,Indonesia,Iraq,sirya,Jordan,yaman...
is around tens of millions

Jordan who present itself as the forefront for the Arab struggle killed in one day more Palestinians that israel ever did in 100 years of endless clashes
sirya killed in one day more Muslims than Israel ever did ?
and please do not forget that unlike this countries Israel also lost many many life's(Israel population size is about the size of a medium city,few millions)

i find it a bit interesting that non of those countries and massacres enjoyed your much apreaciated care for human life and values
it's also interesting that non of this countries ever feared global inervention
in short
u r bunch of hypocrites and no one cares what you think

Ya do know that there's a reason why the leadership remains unchecked, right? Social manipulation is fairly easy to do.

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28 Jul 2009, 1:22 pm

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like some twisted parody of an hate site

And you're like a twisted parody of a minority calling hate crime on everything that doesn't fit within your narrow world view. I've been extra careful to always say it's only the leadership that's the problem and not the people because it would be wrong to cast blame on every citizen for the horrible hubris, arrogance and bloodlust of their government. It's unfair.

And for some reason, you strike me as the sort who would be supporting Avigdor Lieberman and his nazi tactics of ethnic purification all in the name of a myth of self-defense.

Not everyone in the world hates Jewish people (despite your paranoia). I love Jewish people and love the culture and all the talented Jewish artists who've enriched my life over the years. THAT DOES NOT MEAN I WILL BEND OVER BACKWARDS TO CONDONE GENOCIDE IN THE NAME OF A COUNTRY WHO THRIVES OFF OF CLAIMING TO BE THE VICTIM ALL THE TIME. I'm not that stupid as to believe such an unbelievable story as that....to be a victim ALL the time and that there have been no concessions that Israel could have made to encourage peace in the region. I've also looked at the various "concessions" made over the years and they're normally little more than an insulting form of lip service that only a poor salesman would try to sell off to a customer who's unhappy with their product. The 2000 Camp David Summit being one of those largely laughable offered "concessions".

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28 Jul 2009, 8:47 pm

skafather84 wrote:

nara44 wrote:

like some twisted parody of an hate site

but u r that stupid
as i never wrote any of the stuff u accused me of righting
never wrote that Israel is always is the victim pf all time
never wrote that Israeli shouldn't give more concessions
I've tried to convince u and your types on the importance of balanced,informed and as objective view as possible
leaderships on both sides feeds on people like you who doesn't care to learn and look into details and learn
there is no GENOCIDE here and there never was anything even remotely close to it and it is the Libermans like you who makes a bery hard and dangarous situation more difficult and more dangerous by spreading hate based on ignorance and childish narcissism (look at me as i scream genocide,i must have such a beautiful and sensitive heart)

it's not only the leadership problem as the leadership reflects the mental state of the people
the leader is just a common man caricature,stretchered to the extreme,shouting one liner simplistic banalities so people wouldn't have to deal with the complexities of life
much like you
and i never voted for Lieberman
never voted in my life because i do not believe in leadership of any kind
not in the work place
not in the academy
not ever

if u had bothered to read my posts u would know that i have friends in Gaza,which i support, for many years
and that i'm for the dismantling if all settlements
i specifically wrote that i'm willing to give up my on my nationality for peace with the pal's so it doesn't take to much IQ to infer that ppl like me do not vote Liberman
it's a pity i lacked even that little amount
probably because like any extremist u can see only black and white
meaning
anyone who refuses to accept your view of israel as a Nazi like state must be fascist
well u r,and one of the worst kind,u just don't know it yet

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