I've noticed this among other autistics/non-autistics..Why?

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It depends on how you define god. If you define it as some sapient superbeing who performs "real magic" at their whim...then yeah, that's pretty absurd. If you consider it the natural forces of everything around us to the smallest instances of reality as yet discovered in physics...it's not really that absurd. It'd be absurd to pray to it and ask it for things...but it wouldn't be absurd to want to know it and understand it better.

Learn some history. It's highly amusing that you think Charles Darwin is what has caused the majority of racism. While yes, he probably felt that not ONLY blacks, but also anyone who wasn't a WASP was inferior to him, he has without a doubt helped to significantly alleviate the world of racism. Albeit racial equality was certainly not a goal for Darwin, don't you DARE accuse him of spreading that filth. His studies have provoked further and further studies which has eventually has led to a much more *scientifically* accurate understanding of evolution as a whole. Furthermore, most people who understand evolution also realize that there is no such thing as a defined race. Indeed, the idea of separate and well-defined races actually existing as a biological fact has been entirely disproved by modern science. Charles Darwin was not a man of his time, but racist does not define who he was. And besides, by race he meant species in his writings. Darwin wasn't trying to hurt your feelings by making blacks feel inferior.


And by all means, don't be ashamed of your Christian and Jesus-loving attitude, but please, JUST STOP. This is not a Jesus-bashing and Christian-hating group of users, so what are you trying to get at? We get it, you love Jesus. We understand that your belief in him helps you, and we certainly understand that you think we would improve from sharing your beliefs. However, the fact is the majority of us have heard enough of your pro-Christian ideology, and you need to stop digging yourself deeper into this. Frankly, all you are managing to do is get on everyone's nerves. You aren't even promoting much intelligent discourse. Instead, there is a lot of ignorant banter from both sides, which adds up to squat. You aren't going to convince anyone, and no one is going to convince you to drop Jesus and Christianity. For the sake of peace, just LET IT GO. You don't need to be provoking this nonsense.

Try to be a good person through your actions, and in that way you can influence others. But stop this senseless exchange of crap, please.

I'm sure you can contribute plenty to the other topics in this forum, but let this one go. You've said more than you should have and are only making people upset. As far as I can tell, what you actually are doing is certainly very un-Christian!

Mind you, I'm not a Christian so I don't really know, but really, must you continue spouting the same message over and over to people who don't even want to hear it?!?!?

Okay, for starters. Many of you, clearly jumped into conclusions from my post and I did nothing wrong at all! You're just looking for excuses in order to cause me to become hysterical and to justify my religion. And, I do not know what you guys are like, and you guys do not even know what my Christian life has been like. I asked this question due to being around other Aspies who represented a lifestyle similar to many of you. And, I have the same freedom of the rest of you. Do I not? And if you may not remember I had the same problem with my last post relating to religion several years ago, and it left me heartbroken.
And I am sorry if I contradicted any of you, but take a look at your posts, and see what you've done to me, and to other Christian autistics! We have a right to be here, just like you do. But, what I can say from the 5 pages of insults, complaints,etc. it's unbelievable that when anyone mentions God on this board there are more words of foul hatred then there is of honest acceptance. And, I will state this again for everyone: Christians have a much harder time showing love, grace, and faith in this world, because people who don't know what we're really like set such high standards for us. Or, to make matters worse, throw stereotypes down our throats. Especially when it comes to church. May God be with you all.

Actually you did do something wrong, your original post was abhorrent. You can either recognise this fact and attempt to learn from it or you could continue with what you're doing now (distortion). I don't really mind because either works, but i think in the long-term trying to learn what you done wrong in your original-post might be more beneficial.


This has nothing to do with religion, despite being agnostic i have a great deal more respect for the majority of christians than i do the majority of atheists.


As i said, go back to your original post, read my second reply and you'll see what part of the problem was. The tone of your first post wasn't good!

Hmm..That's funny, if you're so smart, why haven't stopped posting from my so "offensive" posts, and moved on to something more enlightening? See, you see something within my post, that you just have to outwit me in your own way, using your own logical thinking. Trust me, I'm not offended, but I can tell by each word that you live to tell people like myself off. You love comebacks, and in other words. You love to win. Which is why you're still posting a comeback from anything Godly I have to say. Try church for a few Sundays. It won't bite.

Are you certain there is actually a majority? Have the members of this subset "turned away from God" as you put it, or is something else going on? Could they find this "agnostic stuff" more tolerant and socially inclusive compared to other social groups they've encountered or sought entry too (all other groups and not just theistic)?

I myself sought acceptance and love through a local church during a difficult period in my life. And I met some tolerant and accepting people there. And I also met some close-minded, bigoted, and fundamentalistic individuals, the behaviour of which is why I eventually left the group and chose atheism. So one reason for the agnostic fascinations you mentioned is negative social experiences when seeking acceptance in a religious social group (if the One won't love me, maybe the opposite will).

Other reasons include testing social boundaries, the choices of friends and role-models to be involved in such a group (peer-pressure), rebellion, and often experimenting with identity. I remember some peers from school who dabbled with punk, goth, and so on, and have since given it up after settling down into a grown-up life.


I apologise if I sound angry, I have encountered similar questions, by religious individuals, which are smokescreens for criticisms of other individuals, who do not share their faith. I know you're not preaching, but simply curious.

Agnostic here and even though I don't believe in god, I respect people's different views and feel there is no reason to belittle someone by calling them psychopath or delusional since the term spirituality means different things for different people.

Anyway, this question is a little silly. It seems to be asking why the majority of people are.....

If anything, religion, atheism, paganism and so one have been around for centuries. Some people were persecuted for not conforming into an ideal belief or system. Even to this day, popularity in set views tends to stomp out other views thus making it difficult for one to express or educate people about themselves.

Also, I would think...but don't quote me on this that most aspies on this site are mostly made up of atheists and agnostics.

Sigh, distortion. Fine, you go through life unintentionally insulting people and then wondering why noone wants to talk to you, your choice.


I've been to church many times previously and have already stated i respect christians more than atheists. The fact you're still trying to paint this as a religion thing... sigh. But you know, if you don't want to learn how to phrase things better that's upto you. It doesn't change the fact that your original post could be compared to venom.

Here are some of my thoughts:

I haven't seen any atheists on this thread that I've picked up on that have used the hypocrisy of individual Christians as an argument, or "turned away" as a result of disliking God. The arguments put forward have been on scientific grounds (apart from the pain and suffering argument, which is to do with the nature as opposed to the existence of God). Any christians still arguing the former, you're arguing an imaginary opponent. Another kudos I'll give to atheists/evolutionists here is they are consistent to their beliefs in saying there is no dark path / objectively right or wrong way of living. A little dodgy IMO, but consistent.

This said, I am a christian, and have issues with materialistic origins, and my experience of being taught about evolution / materialism is similar to the stories of atheists / agnostics here being taught about God; finding answers to simple questions being non-satisfactory (possibly because no-one wanted to imply the conclusion that we're living in a moral vacuum). I believe the statement that we "see evolution happening" is a confusion of terms (I'm hoping non-intentional). We see natural selection happening and we see mutations happening. Evolution is a conjecture based on these premises. Neither natural selection or mutations create information, rather they act upon existing information. Too many people seem to think that proving natural selection and mutation equals proving evolution. That's been my experience anyway. If anyone wants to disagree, I promise I won't waste time with accusations of ulterior motives.

One side-note, I'm with MissConstrue in asking not to resort to calling people with spiritual beliefs delusional. It's childish.

This post probably isn't directly related to the original topic, but all these religious threads tend to turn into the same sort of conversation anyway.

Religion is perhaps the most dangerous subject on the internet (at least at times); the implied presumption that (your/any/a) religion is superior and making negative references in regards to the quality of life those have who do not share your beliefs would both be part of the reaction to your OP from an analytical basis. By questioning the beliefs of others, you open your own to scrutiny... that is my perception, at least.


M.

I welcome scrutiny on my own beliefs. I would be delighted to be convinced that there is a morality of decency supervised by some overwhelming power that will, at end, result in a wonderful loving universe that treats life as its special darling and human life especially as something that is the be all and end all of evolution (or whatever development process appeals to you). So far the proponents of these wonders have justified their fantasies with the most outrageous mental idiocies I have ever encountered.and have no sensible responses to objections to their jerry-built justifications for their beliefs. I am sad to see them find refuge from the hard reality of an uncaring and frequently randomly vicious universe in naive nonsense and would like to help them but this seems impossible.

The only reason why religion is supposedly "dangerous" is because people make choices not to take the time to understand and not want to learn about it. I will say that, God gave each and every one of us a choice: To either obey him and follow him, or to live as we please and not obey him.

The reason I find God dangerous is that it gives people permission to do frightful things to each other in the name of what are assumed heavenly demands with no pangs of decency or conscience involved. These demands are obviously formulated, not in some super mind, but in the minds of the leaders of primitive sociological conditions when the ancient literature was transcribed by men and although some of them seem sensible enough a good many are downright silly or outrageously vicious.

This sounds interesting to me. I will be truthful about God. He is a loving God. It is the people who are the dangerous ones. God is not someone who instructs Christians to bash people who do not believe in God, and to scare the daylight out of others. Christians may do that, because they have a tendency to think that they themselves are "better than God". I've been known to do that, but if a Christian knows better, he or she will immediately go to God and ask for forgiveness, as well as those that they have hurt. And yes, there are a group of Christians out there who are known to be way too "legalistic". I was on the path once, and I'm working very hard to stop that. If anyone has any questions about having a rough time with a Christian and may still be hurt by that experience (and even myself). I'm not afraid to talk. Just PM me, if you'd like to.

I have never been faced with this God to turn away from it. I never had any awareness of this concept before I heard about it from others. I have never seen any evidence that compels me to believe what I have heard about this entity’s “existence”. Nothing I know gives me any cause to view this God stuff as being plausible much less actually true.


This is factually incorrect. Racism was very much ingrained in culture and in practice when Darwin published his work.

On the other hand, Christian doctrine justified sexism for centuries, also several centuries of Crusades, a number of Inquisitions (including the Spanish, which began with the military eviction of the Moors and proceeded onto persecution of the local Jewish communities, before exporting itself to the Netherlands to persecute non Catholics there, with a bit_of spousal assistance from Mary I and her burning of “heretics’ at Smithfield, for which she earned the sobriquet of Bloody Mary) and too many atrocities to list in all honesty.
You could argue these are the acts of people rather than the fault of the “knowledge” they acted on, but this makes your accusations about Darwin’s theory rather hypocritical. If Christianity which is supposed to guide us to rightful action is not responsible when it inspires wrongful acts, then why is Darwin’s theory which does not claim to be a moral guide responsible for any misuse people put it to?

It’s particularly silly to blame Darwin because he actually only ultimately published his findings when it became apparent someone else had independently arrived at the same conclusion and was going to publish. Darwin and the other gentlemen concerned both presented the theory at the same time, so without Darwin, we would still have had the theory of evolution.

As someone who has read some of the stomach turning contents of the bible describing the God Christians worship, I have to say it mystifies me to hear this entity described as “loving”.

This is actually a mistake as much on your part as anyone else’s (although a very understandable mistake and conceivably the speaker in such an instance might actually be making the same mistake as well).
We do see evolution happen, because evolution is defined as being changes in the rate of occurrence of alleles within a gene pool from one generation to the next, and these have been measured in many, many instances.
The confusion arises when people assume all evolution is the specific kind of evolution referred to as “macro evolution” which is the type of evolutionary scale associated with speciation.