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28 Aug 2009, 3:39 pm

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I guess no one read my small insight on things... -sigh-

I read it and thought about replying; but I got so annoyed at the rampant theist-bashing around here that I thought I probably couldn't write a very civil reply.

I think politics, philosophy, and religion are all at least somewhat related, so it makes sense to put them together. They're also fairly contentious, so it makes sense to make a separate subforum for them to keep most of the flamewars away from the rest of the site.


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28 Aug 2009, 4:18 pm

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AFLOAT

Cold, I am, and bloody tired
To shovel sh** and hay and fruit
That these seasick beasts may be inspired
To live and multiply, to graze and root
In the world when dried.
Many came. Many died.

It was Shem who lost the unicorns.
They were so shy. They lived exclusively on grapes.
He is imperious, like most first borns.
And he must have his wines. And then there were the apes.
Those neanderthals - we thought of them as beasts;
They were not circumcised. They made good leopard feasts.

The dragons simply were too huge.
Their weight had caused the boat to list.
And with that wind and this deluge
We tossed them overboard. They won’t be missed.
Japheth did in the flying pigs. They were treyf.
Noah’s screams were loud enough to make me deaf.

The dinosaurs bent the bars on their cages.
They ate a lot, and how they stank!
Growling, roaring, they’d bite each other in their rages.
They were too much trouble , to be frank.
Rattling their chains, breaking leg irons,
We gave up and fed them to the lions.

And there were those frightful things from outer space.
They almost seemed intelligent, they spoke,
But not Aramaic, just gabble. Their dispatch was no disgrace.
And, also, we lost the elves, fairies, gnomes - all little folk.
I just barely saved the dodo, and the passenger pigeon.
We all prayed, but there are limits to religion.

Finally, that’s the way it goes. The work is lighter.
The rain drums on. The wives are bored to tears.
Noah keeps us in line. Discipline is tighter.
He sings funny songs, quiets down our fears,
Assures us all it will be over soon.
I miss the Sun and yearn to see the Moon.


Sand, that was awesome. May I post it, with attribution to my facebook profile?


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28 Aug 2009, 10:30 pm

Fuzzy wrote:
Sand wrote:
AFLOAT

Cold, I am, and bloody tired
To shovel sh** and hay and fruit
That these seasick beasts may be inspired
To live and multiply, to graze and root
In the world when dried.
Many came. Many died.

It was Shem who lost the unicorns.
They were so shy. They lived exclusively on grapes.
He is imperious, like most first borns.
And he must have his wines. And then there were the apes.
Those neanderthals - we thought of them as beasts;
They were not circumcised. They made good leopard feasts.

The dragons simply were too huge.
Their weight had caused the boat to list.
And with that wind and this deluge
We tossed them overboard. They won’t be missed.
Japheth did in the flying pigs. They were treyf.
Noah’s screams were loud enough to make me deaf.

The dinosaurs bent the bars on their cages.
They ate a lot, and how they stank!
Growling, roaring, they’d bite each other in their rages.
They were too much trouble , to be frank.
Rattling their chains, breaking leg irons,
We gave up and fed them to the lions.

And there were those frightful things from outer space.
They almost seemed intelligent, they spoke,
But not Aramaic, just gabble. Their dispatch was no disgrace.
And, also, we lost the elves, fairies, gnomes - all little folk.
I just barely saved the dodo, and the passenger pigeon.
We all prayed, but there are limits to religion.

Finally, that’s the way it goes. The work is lighter.
The rain drums on. The wives are bored to tears.
Noah keeps us in line. Discipline is tighter.
He sings funny songs, quiets down our fears,
Assures us all it will be over soon.
I miss the Sun and yearn to see the Moon.


Sand, that was awesome. May I post it, with attribution to my facebook profile?


Feel free. I'm highly complimented.



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29 Aug 2009, 5:47 am

I want to go to hell, heaven is boring.



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29 Aug 2009, 5:59 am

shadowgirl, you are being offensive.
you need to repent.


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29 Aug 2009, 6:15 am

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So you think it's much more probable that god decided to make us for s**ts and giggles, not revealing himself to us and then casts us into eternal hellfire if we don't worship him? What kind of f**** up mother f**** is that?


^ SO TRUE.

Hovewer, if i were to say "i wanna go to hell when i die" to my dad, he would surely get mad and deny it, but it's like god doesn't give a s*** about it and just sends his "children" to hell, THAT is NOT what a GOOD father would do.



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29 Aug 2009, 6:20 am

Fuzzy wrote:

Sand, that was awesome. May I post it, with attribution to my facebook profile?


Sand's verse is very cute. But not to be taken literally.

ruveyn



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29 Aug 2009, 9:58 am

ruveyn wrote:
Fuzzy wrote:

Sand, that was awesome. May I post it, with attribution to my facebook profile?


Sand's verse is very cute. But not to be taken literally.

ruveyn


I appreciate your acute perceptive ability that it was not to be taken seriously.



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29 Aug 2009, 10:07 am

Sand wrote:
ruveyn wrote:
Fuzzy wrote:

Sand, that was awesome. May I post it, with attribution to my facebook profile?


Sand's verse is very cute. But not to be taken literally.

ruveyn


I appreciate your acute perceptive ability that it was not to be taken seriously.


There are a lot of faithful Christians on this board, so I felt ethically obliged to utter this caveat.

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29 Aug 2009, 11:01 am

ruveyn wrote:
Sand wrote:
ruveyn wrote:
Fuzzy wrote:

Sand, that was awesome. May I post it, with attribution to my facebook profile?


Sand's verse is very cute. But not to be taken literally.

ruveyn


I appreciate your acute perceptive ability that it was not to be taken seriously.


There are a lot of faithful Christians on this board, so I felt ethically obliged to utter this caveat.

ruven


In the light of your declaration that no one outside your immediate family is worthy of much empathy I am delight that you have decided to take faithful Christians under your wing. It does seem, though, that your comment is a rather backhanded insult to their intellect.



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29 Aug 2009, 11:05 am

Sand wrote:

In the light of your declaration that no one outside your immediate family is worthy of much empathy I am delight that you have decided to take faithful Christians under your wing. It does seem, though, that your comment is a rather backhanded insult to their intellect.


I thought it was rather fore-handed. I have no bashfulness in telling my inferiors what I think about them. Kindness to the lesser folk is not my most prominent characteristic.

My role model, Socrates, was pretty good at that. Of course, it cost him dearly in the end.

"I drank what???! !! !" - Socrates of Athens

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29 Aug 2009, 11:08 am

ruveyn wrote:
Sand wrote:

In the light of your declaration that no one outside your immediate family is worthy of much empathy I am delight that you have decided to take faithful Christians under your wing. It does seem, though, that your comment is a rather backhanded insult to their intellect.


I thought it was rather fore-handed. I have no bashfulness in telling my inferiors what I think about them. Kindness to the lesser folk is not my most prominent characteristic.

My role model, Socrates, was pretty good at that. Of course, it cost him dearly in the end.

"I drank what???! !! !" - Socrates of Athens

ruveyn


That's a relief. I was afraid you had suffered a brain embolism that totally reconstructed your character.



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29 Aug 2009, 12:53 pm

bdhkhsfgk wrote:
Mindovermatter wrote:
So you think it's much more probable that god decided to make us for s**ts and giggles, not revealing himself to us and then casts us into eternal hellfire if we don't worship him? What kind of f**** up mother f**** is that?


^ SO TRUE.

Hovewer, if i were to say "i wanna go to hell when i die" to my dad, he would surely get mad and deny it, but it's like god doesn't give a s*** about it and just sends his "children" to hell, THAT is NOT what a GOOD father would do.


This is precisely my problem with religion. I'll assume that these posters were raised religiously, and yet they seem to have no idea what God is supposed to be all about. In a nutshell, it's not all about you. If you want to get into heaven (if you believe it exists) or to know God, as they say, then the way to do this is by helping others. Stop focusing on your own crap and start working on selflessness. Volunteer at a soup kitchen or tutor some foster kids. Meet some individuals who are suffering far more than yourselves and help to make a difference. This seems to be the fundamental ideal of most religions, yet the message rarely gets accross. Even if you don't believe in God or hell or heaven, I promise you will be a happier person.



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29 Aug 2009, 12:56 pm

Shadowgirl,

It looks like you have a future in Bible-thumping.



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29 Aug 2009, 1:30 pm

Any God who would create a system to set us up for hell is a jerk and I wouldn't worship him anyways. Hell is supposedly eternal? If I can forgive people in a life time why can't God in his infinite wisdom? This is absurd. :lol:

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29 Aug 2009, 2:50 pm

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This is precisely my problem with religion. I'll assume that these posters were raised religiously, and yet they seem to have no idea what God is supposed to be all about. In a nutshell, it's not all about you. If you want to get into heaven (if you believe it exists) or to know God, as they say, then the way to do this is by helping others. Stop focusing on your own crap and start working on selflessness. Volunteer at a soup kitchen or tutor some foster kids. Meet some individuals who are suffering far more than yourselves and help to make a difference. This seems to be the fundamental ideal of most religions, yet the message rarely gets accross. Even if you don't believe in God or hell or heaven, I promise you will be a happier person.


A-freaking-men, about a squillion times over.

(The insight into why one does this - i.e. that basically we are all in this One Big Thing together, rather than being a bunch of little egos fighting over who Daddy likes more - is what's at the core of all religions. Anyone who has that realization will naturally want to get down and muck in with easing suffering where they find it. But frankly, in a world like ours, any amount of mucking in cannot possibly hurt anyway.)


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