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How do you identify yourself?
Christian 27%  27%  [ 45 ]
Buddhist 2%  2%  [ 3 ]
Islamic 2%  2%  [ 3 ]
Hindu 1%  1%  [ 1 ]
Taoism 2%  2%  [ 3 ]
Shinto 0%  0%  [ 0 ]
Wiccan 1%  1%  [ 2 ]
Pagan 6%  6%  [ 10 ]
Judaism 4%  4%  [ 7 ]
Atheism 30%  30%  [ 50 ]
Agnostic 18%  18%  [ 30 ]
Scientology 0%  0%  [ 0 ]
Sikhism 0%  0%  [ 0 ]
Other (smaller religions such as Jainaism or Tenrikyo) 7%  7%  [ 12 ]
Total votes : 166

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27 Oct 2009, 9:34 pm

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I was raised Discordian. Still practice it daily. I wasn't sure where others might put that but I put it under "Pagan" as there is a lot of animistic, Voodoo funkiness in there.

EDIT: How are Wiccans not Pagan?


"If you think the PRINCIPIA is just a ha-ha, then go read it again." :wink:

Wiccans are Pagans. Pagans are not necessarily Wiccans. I am a Pagan. I would not call myself a Wiccan though as I do not write rituals or act as a Priestess. I have been in circles, covens and am more than qualified to spout off about how to set up an alter, do a ritual (just don't make me stomp my staff and scream 'AVANTE!'... I hate that), tell you if you should do this or that under a waxing or waning moon, which goddess might be most fitting for what ceremony... but I do believe (and this just is my humble opinion so don't burn me at the stake for it... heh heh heh) that the biggest difference between common pagans with Wiccan tendencies and actual Wiccans is all about the ritual and the role they play in the community. Wiccans, me thinks, are like the clergy. I am not, nor do I care to be clergy, so I will never call myself a Wiccan. Besides... I kind of do dig on 'Voodoo' and it does not always mesh well with that whole 'do what thou will but harm none' thing that Wiccans hold so dear. The way I see it, it is all perspective anyway...


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27 Oct 2009, 9:35 pm

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I'm a "Jewitch" (Jewish witch). I practice solitary eclectic Wicca, but I was raised Jewish and my Jewish heritage is important to me so I incorporate aspects of those beliefs and into my faith.


As a Jewish witch, have you been fascinated with the Curses that are being pronounced during the excommunication ceremony (see http://oregonstate.edu/instruct/phl302/ ... curse.html ) Imagine a dark room with candles and a deep, slow voice reading these Curses. Don't you think there is alluring mysticism to it? And do you think that, irnoically, it might actually have a positive effect on a cursee by enhancing their spiritualty?


It is quite fascinating, I love learning about Jewish mysticism.


So do you think these Curses have greater effect if the cursee is physically there to listen to them?

If so, how do they make sure the cursee attends excommunication ceremony? Do they physically drag him there? Or do they just not tell him about it, so that he shows up to regular synagoge service, and then they lock all the doors so he can't escape without him noticing, and only then start to pronounce the Curse?



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27 Oct 2009, 9:48 pm

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So do you think these Curses have greater effect if the cursee is physically there to listen to them?

If so, how do they make sure the cursee attends excommunication ceremony? Do they physically drag him there? Or do they just not tell him about it, so that he shows up to regular synagoge service, and then they lock all the doors so he can't escape without him noticing, and only then start to pronounce the Curse?


I assume that the cursee would be notified about the excommunication, and then forcibly summoned. It probably is more effective if the person is there to hear it since they would be experiencing a direct emotional impact from hearing it read to them.



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27 Oct 2009, 9:50 pm

I am Jedi, halfway between the light and dark side. I may take either path depending on which suits me the best.



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27 Oct 2009, 9:52 pm

Sati wrote:
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So do you think these Curses have greater effect if the cursee is physically there to listen to them?

If so, how do they make sure the cursee attends excommunication ceremony? Do they physically drag him there? Or do they just not tell him about it, so that he shows up to regular synagoge service, and then they lock all the doors so he can't escape without him noticing, and only then start to pronounce the Curse?


I assume that the cursee would be notified about the excommunication, and then forcibly summoned. It probably is more effective if the person is there to hear it since they would be experiencing a direct emotional impact from hearing it read to them.


But if they are notified, then how can they force them to come? All they have to do is hide somewhere. Are they going to search all the streets in town? And, when they find them, how would they drag them? Would they like hire 10 different men to CARRY him into the ceremony?



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27 Oct 2009, 10:01 pm

Roman wrote:
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So do you think these Curses have greater effect if the cursee is physically there to listen to them?

If so, how do they make sure the cursee attends excommunication ceremony? Do they physically drag him there? Or do they just not tell him about it, so that he shows up to regular synagoge service, and then they lock all the doors so he can't escape without him noticing, and only then start to pronounce the Curse?


I assume that the cursee would be notified about the excommunication, and then forcibly summoned. It probably is more effective if the person is there to hear it since they would be experiencing a direct emotional impact from hearing it read to them.


But if they are notified, then how can they force them to come? All they have to do is hide somewhere. Are they going to search all the streets in town? And, when they find them, how would they drag them? Would they like hire 10 different men to CARRY him into the ceremony?


I imagine it would work similar to someone being summoned to court - some people would basically need to be tracked down and kidnapped, others would go willingly.



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27 Oct 2009, 10:04 pm

I'm a Christian but would define it as a relationship with Jesus Christ rather than as a "religion".


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27 Oct 2009, 11:43 pm

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So if modern Jews are descendants of the three southern kingdoms, which include Judah, and you say you are also descendant of Judah, does it mean you are a Jew? In particular, from secular demographic perspective, are you considered a Jew? Did your parents consider themselves Jewish? If not, what is your ethnicity?


While you, yourself, don't subscribe to any denomination, do you attend a church? If so, what denomination is that church?

I know that, as long as you are descendant of Jacob, skin color won't change anything. However, it can still be true that most descendents of Jacob happened to have a certain skin color. In particular, if you are a descendant of Jacob who is black, you are still Israelite. But the question is, are there descendants of Jacob who are black? And if there are, how many? There were a lot of studies done that subscribe to different points of view on the issue. Some claim that Israelites are mostly of European descent; some claim they are mostly of African descent. Of course, logically you can combine the two and say they are mixed. So what do you believe?


We are German/Jewish by ethnicity. I do attend a house congregation http://www.congregationyhwhpc.com that is a part of the Congregation of YHWH. I believe that a majority of physical descendants have white skin, but there are physical descendants of Jacob who have black (brown, yellow, etc.) skin. I also believe that even if a person has no ancestor linked to Jacob, he or she can still be a part of Israel by adoption (The Bible says so quite clearly). The salvation plan is to save the entire world. The Bible is clear in the fact that all Israel will be saved. I also happen to believe that the huge majority of non-Israelites will also be saved. :-)


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28 Oct 2009, 6:03 am

I've voted "other" but actually I belive in "Deus sive naturae" (God is nature). I belive in the interconnection of all the universe and I identify it with God. You can call it Pantheism:

Pantheism (Greek: πάν (pan) = all and θεός (theos) = God, literally "God is all" -ism) is the view that everything is part of an all-encompassing immanent God and that the Universe (Nature) and God are equivalent. Pantheism promotes the idea that God is better understood as an abstract principle representing natural law, existence, and the Universe (the sum total of all that was, is and shall be), rather than as an anthropomorphic entity.[1] It is important to note that pantheist do not believe in a personal god. They refer to nature or the universe as God, this is not the same God that is found in religions. Many pantheist are former atheist, in fact pantheism is seen as a form of atheism with spirituality to nature added it while still holding the same skeptic beliefs that many atheist hold today.


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28 Oct 2009, 6:12 am

Im not really one to follow anything mainstream (as groups of people who only think one way tend to screw things up . . . ie American politicians). I can agree that some things on this planet cannot be explained . . . yet. I chose agnostic because of that, in that i think if there is some "godlike" entity, it/they probably have more of a Q like mentality/persona (trickster who does as he/she wants with little consideration for mortals beings).

For those that dont know what a Q is, watch Star Trek: The Next Generation.


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28 Oct 2009, 6:40 am

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I'm a "Jewitch" (Jewish witch). I practice solitary eclectic Wicca, but I was raised Jewish and my Jewish heritage is important to me so I incorporate aspects of those beliefs and into my faith.

....Anja? Is that you?


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28 Oct 2009, 7:10 am

I am a Christian---Methodist.


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28 Oct 2009, 10:09 am

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Atheism and agnosticism aren't really mutually exclusive, either. They shouldn't be listed as separate categories. Atheism is the only one that is really needed. Agnostics are actually atheists and just don't understand the meanings of the terms. If you're answer to the question, "Do you belive (a) God exists?" is ANYTHING other than "yes" (including "I don't/can't know"), you are an atheist.


I disagree.

Main Entry: athe·ist
Pronunciation: \ˈā-thē-ist\
Function: noun
Date: 1551
: one who believes that there is no deity

Main Entry: ag·nos·tic
Pronunciation: \ag-ˈnäs-tik, əg-\
Function: noun
Etymology: Greek agnōstos unknown, unknowable, from a- + gnōstos known, from gignōskein to know — more at know
Date: 1869
1 : a person who holds the view that any ultimate reality (as God) is unknown and probably unknowable; broadly : one who is not committed to believing in either the existence or the nonexistence of God or a god
2 : a person unwilling to commit to an opinion about something <political agnostics>

There's a world of difference between saying you don't know if something exists and saying that something definitely doesn't exist. The whole point of the latter is that they believe neither in the absolute existance or non-existance, whereas the former believes in the non-existance.


Their definition of atheist is wrong. Not believing something exists is not the same as believing that it doesn't. The definition should read "one who doesn't not believe there is a deity" instead of "one who believes there is no deity". Those are two SEPARATE claims. The deifinition that you have for atheism is actually the definition of antitheism.



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28 Oct 2009, 11:17 am

Agnostic.



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28 Oct 2009, 11:24 am

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So did your family object to your becomming Christian? I know anything to do with Jesus is anathema among Jews, even the atheist ones.

My maternal line is Jewish. My mother is now Buddhist, and my father is atheist. (Or perhaps agnostic.. he doesn't believe in any deities or anything, but something about good and evil, I think, but fiercely adheres to the whole you-don't-need-religion-to-be-good thing. Which of course ends up meaning needing to be good without believing that any higher power knows or cares.)

My grandmother was afraid of all things Christian.. but being that my gentile father is an atheist, that wasn't too much of a problem. She grumbled over the Catholic name, but I was named after my father's mother, not after the saint. Although I hear that my father's mother was a saint, (except for some incident about hitting my uncle over the head with a frying pan, but my dad said he deserved it..) but not an official one. My parents were married by a judge in an arboretum.. no churches or anything.


So if everyone in your family are either Jewish or atheists, how did you become Christian? Was it some influence from outside of your family, or did you do that completely on your own?

High school. Contrary to popular belief, there are some evangelical Christians who are very accepting of weirdos; kinda like a social group that didn't turn anybody down. There was a missionary base in my school district.



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28 Oct 2009, 3:44 pm

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