UK General Election 2010

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It's telling that you should give no acknowledgment to the British taxpayers, both individuals and corporations, who no doubt contribute a large slice of your university's funding. And the Chinese you refer to are most likely not immigrants, but just over here to study. But anyway, most of the immigration we've had to endure isn't of high-IQ Chinese arriving to study at Cambridge who might actually contribute something to this country but the waifs and strays from third-world slums who wander the world looking for a free handout.

foriegn students are at nearly all unis paying vast sums

Greed makes the world work, whether you like it or not. I might find others excesses distasteful, but I just accept that's how people are. You work with it, or fight against it. In the latter case your final destination is some crazy Marxist system where the only people who enjoy any kind of prosperity are the political elite. All socialism, including that of the Labour regime, exists at a point somewhere on that path to hell. Labour's credentials are plain to see in that regard, after 13 years in power. Are the Conservatives any better? Marginally so. They are still too far left for my liking, but we cannot let Labour have power for another term. I've seen too much of my individual liberty threatened under this current regime, and anyone who values their freedom will delight in the political destruction of this malignant bunch of wannabe despots.

I'm quite happy for the rich to get richer, too. Rich people make work for less rich people, and so it filters on down. They pay tax, as do the businesses they may operate. Why should I have a problem?

And the only ones with a decent immigration policy are the BNP!

Yes, I don't deny that. But there's a distinction to be made between someone visiting here and paying their way, so to speak, and someone who moves here permanently and gets to enjoy all the benefits of citizenship.

Essentially I pay for my own place through my own taxes, which I will be eventually a higher rate payer. My pet dislike is thick people, hence my disdain for the BNP. BNP members and their friends cost this country far more then immigration ever could.

So go on, explain why immigration is such a problem for you. Why is it such a massive blight on your life? What did they do to you? Most likely, immigation is an excuse to ignore your real problems. Like most of your BNP friends.

Well, I was born in a country called England where people spoke English, where people of faith were mainly Christian, and nearly everyone you met was of English, Irish, Welsh or Scottish ancestry. You didn't have to worry about being attacked for being white if you walked in to the wrong area, and if you entered a shop you weren't treated like dirt by someone who was obviously born nowhere near Europe, let alone the British Isles. People weren't threatening to cause mass casualties with biological agents or radioactive waste, and the only people who committed suicide in planes were the Japanese in the war films on TV. I could go on, but I think you'll get my drift...

I haven't encountered any problems like this - most of the problems I have with people tend to be problems with my fellow white man. Most of this is exagerated nonsense, yes this might occur in rare cases, but nothing like the rate the Daily Mail says. I know that I am far more likely to be beaten up by a drunken white British man than any person of any other grouping.

We did a lot worse in their countries. Like say, the whole british empire, helping the Israelis get nukes and rape the Palestinians, and so on and so forth. In most conflicts, the white man tends to be the aggressor, believe it or not...

I think the point is a bit simpler, i really don;t think it matters, immigration bla bla bla, i just don;t care, what next a ban on thai wives say it aint;t so !

camerons voice. ugh! bearing in mind he is the 'nice' face of the tory machine (ie the most populous persona they could find) how the f**k can anyone not very wealthy and/or secure not be pertrified by that?

anyway, i was wondering about this. ive noticed some posh people on telly talking in a similar way, but cameron seems to have a much fuller, more pronounced example. Is it a specific regional accent, or is it just a generic 'toff' voice? mixture? or does he have a geniune sppech impediment and im just being really vindictive and nasty?

posh people all have the same accent, its a modern marvel, no idea why but posh scottish and posh welsh sound exactly the same, it makes me think that there secret meeting thing holds some water as a theory

Which is no doubt why you tend to see the low-wage, tough jobs done by immigrants and able-bodied people living off benefits tend to be white Brits.
The epitome was someone interviewed in an area where agribusiness, unable to recruit workers locally, imported them from Eastern Europe; the guy (a white Brit), when asked why he didn't take one of those jobs instead of living off benefits, replied that he didn't want to, because he didn't want to work with all those foreigners. Says it all, really.

Though I think a point you and I could agree on is the incompetence in the handling of UK visas.

It is a very narrow minded opinion of yours to suggest that any kind of socialism is set to head straight for a communist society.

You did not answer my question. I asked specifically about sustainable wealth. I believe that if, over the last few years, the Conservatives were in power, we would have been far worse off in this economic crisis because it's the boom and bust economics from the Conservative governments that Labour have so awfully failed to bring us away from.

How rich rich people are does not affect number of jobs as the Conservatives so very well demonstrated in their term. And as I said rich being richer and poor being poorer. Even those "less rich" people loose out. That work you mentioned for the "less rich".. You don't want them to have trade unions, so how are they going to negotiate a fair wage? You also mentioned tax. How about abolishing of capital gains tax? Ok, David says he won't being doing that now, but how long will it be before they push that?

Also, on the point of trade unions, you don't like to see working people fight for what they believe their rights are, but you are in support of David Cameron's "great idea" of letting anyone and everyone dictate what happens to their schools, police etc, people that don't necessarily know anything about what they are taking action on. Community councils are a great example of this. Nosy busy body people bullying their way into anything they can in their local society. I think more localised government would be a disaster. At least you can have some faith in your MP to know what they are talking about and hold at least some responsibility over what they do. It seems to me the Conservative Party are trying to juggle their extreme right wing voters with their easily brainwashed floating voters. They certainly seem to be doing well for the former mentioned.

Oh and hey ascan, since you feel so insecure with foreigners, why not go to Switzerland? It's one of the most conservative countries in Europe (bar the world), mostly because they believe that being somewhat frozen in time will reassure investors and the banking industry.-sigh-

The price should be just right for you, no? :p

So, I take it you see the current situation as an excercise in self-flagellation by our collective liberal conscience? How long until we're purged of our sins?

You leftists are amusing. Imagine if we replaced "posh" and "toff" with black and something else... you people would be foaming at the mouth.

But "boom and bust" is just tabloid-headline speak for perfectly normal economic cyclicity. True enough, that can be amplified by incompetence as has happened recently, but within the current world context it's a fact of life. Again, fighting against that rather than accepting it, leads you to more and more regulation, state control, and descent of that miserable path to Marxist hell. I'm not saying that's where you will definitely end up, but I'm saying that if you follow your rationale to its fullest extent, you will.


A healthy capitalist economy will always have unemployed people. There will always be poor people and rich people, which are just relative terms, anyway. I don't see what your issue is with this. Again, you live with it, mitigating the extremes of poverty, or continue "fighting poverty" until it reaches its logical conclusion: communism. It should be kept in mind that even poor people in this country, if they claim all the state aid they can, live like royalty compared to many in the world.


Why not abolish capital gains tax? It's taxing gains on investments that are paid initially out of taxed income. The Labour regime have scrapped index linking, and now tax capital gains at a blanket 18% for gains over a £10K(roughly) threshold. This doesn't affect just rich people, but many everyday people who have saved for retirement using investments such as property and equities.


But that's not how unions work. Unions, like most political parties, serve the organisational elite, not the rank and file. I've never belonged to a union. If I don't like something, I vote with my feet, so to speak. Unions brought this country to its knees back in the 70s. Even though their powers have been blunted -- thank God -- they still threaten us economically today. And on the subject of "rights", that's another issue that's blighting us.The Labour state has inculcated a dependency mindset that has people automatically looking to alleviate their misfortune at someone elses expense... in other words exercising their "rights".

As for the Conservatives more specifically, if you accept that the likely outcomes range through strong Labour majority, hung parliament, to strong Conservative majority, then the latter is the lesser of evils. If the BNP and UKIP can gain a few seats, in addition, that would be even better as it may force the other parties to actually address the EU and immigration problems.