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16 Jul 2010, 9:18 pm

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let's suppose we run into sentient extraterrestrial life and they also know about God from their own history independent of us.

The bajorans believe in the prophets. :P


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16 Jul 2010, 9:22 pm

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iamnotaparakeet wrote:
let's suppose we run into sentient extraterrestrial life and they also know about God from their own history independent of us.

The bajorans believe in the prophets. :P


And what of the Hrossa, Sorns, Pfifltriggi, and Tinidril in Lewis' space trilogy? Who do they believe in?



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16 Jul 2010, 9:26 pm

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what would be the best way to colonize the solar system?
hypothetically speaking- if we run into life elsewhere it shouldnt include any of our religious texts from any faith or act like we are thier god giving them a message
if we run into nobody we should scrap all the rules and religious books and start anew


Since we're speaking hypothetically, let's suppose we run into sentient extraterrestrial life and they also know about God from their own history independent of us.


BTW, this thread is about colonization of the solar system, not making first contact with extraterrestrials.
and the bolded parts express my thoughts


Scraping all the rules contrived by congresses I would agree with, but I'd be taking my Bible along as well as all historical, literary, and scientific works. I am a Christian and I'm not giving that up no matter where I live or what era I live in, but in a more general sense it would not be wise to reject history and the knowledge accumulated whether or not it is likable according to one's tastes and ideologies or not.



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16 Jul 2010, 9:39 pm

iamnotaparakeet wrote:
richardbenson wrote:
iamnotaparakeet wrote:
iamnotaparakeet wrote:
richardbenson wrote:
iamnotaparakeet wrote:
what would be the best way to colonize the solar system?
hypothetically speaking- if we run into life elsewhere it shouldnt include any of our religious texts from any faith or act like we are thier god giving them a message
if we run into nobody we should scrap all the rules and religious books and start anew


Since we're speaking hypothetically, let's suppose we run into sentient extraterrestrial life and they also know about God from their own history independent of us.


BTW, this thread is about colonization of the solar system, not making first contact with extraterrestrials.
and the bolded parts express my thoughts


Scraping all the rules contrived by congresses I would agree with, but I'd be taking my Bible along as well as all historical, literary, and scientific works. I am a Christian and I'm not giving that up no matter where I live or what era I live in, but in a more general sense it would not be wise to reject history and the knowledge accumulated whether or not it is likable according to one's tastes and ideologies or not.
i agree with your statement, rememberance is always good. lets just not live our lives by a fairy tail, or possibly force a belief system on a ET race. reguardless if i lived on another planet i'd decorate the entire house in christmas lights and reindeers to bring a little piece of earth to where i was 8)


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16 Jul 2010, 10:19 pm

richardbenson wrote:
iamnotaparakeet wrote:
richardbenson wrote:
iamnotaparakeet wrote:
iamnotaparakeet wrote:
richardbenson wrote:
iamnotaparakeet wrote:
what would be the best way to colonize the solar system?
hypothetically speaking- if we run into life elsewhere it shouldnt include any of our religious texts from any faith or act like we are thier god giving them a message
if we run into nobody we should scrap all the rules and religious books and start anew


Since we're speaking hypothetically, let's suppose we run into sentient extraterrestrial life and they also know about God from their own history independent of us.


BTW, this thread is about colonization of the solar system, not making first contact with extraterrestrials.
and the bolded parts express my thoughts


Scraping all the rules contrived by congresses I would agree with, but I'd be taking my Bible along as well as all historical, literary, and scientific works. I am a Christian and I'm not giving that up no matter where I live or what era I live in, but in a more general sense it would not be wise to reject history and the knowledge accumulated whether or not it is likable according to one's tastes and ideologies or not.
i agree with your statement, rememberance is always good. lets just not live our lives by a fairy tail, or possibly force a belief system on a ET race. reguardless if i lived on another planet i'd decorate the entire house in christmas lights and reindeers to bring a little piece of earth to where i was 8)


Who's said anything about forcing a belief system on anyone? Reindeer on Mars... wait, I think that movie's been made already: http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0058548/



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17 Jul 2010, 12:16 am

oh, can i say: believe me you would. (if you met anyone) you would tell them all about jesus and how he held the universe in his hands and how the number 3 and 7 where holy


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17 Jul 2010, 12:26 am

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Oh, can I say: believe me you would. (If you met anyone) you would tell them all about Jesus and how he held the universe in his hands and how the number 3 and 7 were holy.


Ah, I thought by the word "forcing" that you meant at gunpoint or by the sword or otherwise with threats of violence like certain factions a few lines of latitude south of Russia do.... In the sense of sharing my beliefs with others, telling them about what I think and the history of my world and hearing their thoughts and the history of their world, in this sense the word "forcing" takes on about as much of a contrast to actual forced conversion as does a mouse does to a tyrannosaurus.



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17 Jul 2010, 12:34 am

iamnotaparakeet wrote:
In the sense of sharing my beliefs with others, telling them about what I think and the history of my world and hearing their thoughts and the history of their world, in this sense the word "forcing" takes on about as much of a contrast to actual forced conversion as does a mouse does to a tyrannosaurus.


the bolded part sounds like a severe mental condition. and i erased alot of what you said


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17 Jul 2010, 12:41 am

richardbenson wrote:
iamnotaparakeet wrote:
In the sense of sharing my beliefs with others, telling them about what I think and the history of my world and hearing their thoughts and the history of their world, in this sense the word "forcing" takes on about as much of a contrast to actual forced conversion as does a mouse does to a tyrannosaurus.


the bolded part sounds like a severe mental condition. and i erased alot of what you said


:roll: I'm referring to talking in person, oy, and hypothetically at that.



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17 Jul 2010, 12:49 am

thank god! (this we can both agree on) :wink:


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17 Jul 2010, 12:57 am

richardbenson wrote:
thank god! (this we can both agree on) :wink:


Yep. Miscommunication is an annoying bugger, don't you think?



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17 Jul 2010, 1:01 am

we are on an autistic site arent we? i misscumminicate alot. reguardless. i stick to my guns


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17 Jul 2010, 2:58 am

I grew up reading science fiction so I would love nothing better than the Star Trek universe.

However, unless someone invents anti-gravity I can't see it happening. It is just too expensive.

It would cost trillions and trillions of dollars to build a space station then build ship in orbit to go to the outer planets.

Even if the moons of Mars were made of solid gold it would cost a million times it's value to mine it and bring back.

And unless we can invent the "warp drive" then the stars will be forever beyond our reach.



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17 Jul 2010, 3:50 am

Wombat wrote:
I grew up reading science fiction so I would love nothing better than the Star Trek universe.

However, unless someone invents anti-gravity I can't see it happening. It is just too expensive.

It would cost trillions and trillions of dollars to build a space station then build ship in orbit to go to the outer planets.

Even if the moons of Mars were made of solid gold it would cost a million times it's value to mine it and bring back.

And unless we can invent the "warp drive" then the stars will be forever beyond our reach.


There is some possibility that if space stations grow into viable habitats they might be powered to move towards another planet and eventually send down colonies with the orbiting space station as a base. That's probably a century away if ever.



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17 Jul 2010, 6:19 am

I've not read all the posts on this thread but I wanted to add my opinion. If anyone agrees with me and has posted a thread like this sorry for not reading it.

I am actually very pessemistic when it comes to space colonization. I think our sense of adventure overrules our common sense. We forget that the Earth is our home, where we evolved, and that we have evolved to thrive in an atmosphere amongst all the micro organisms etc. We also forget about the Earths magnetic field protecting us from harmful particles from the sun. We also forget about the Earths gravity and how we have been "designed" to move about within that gravity.

I think if and when we do colonize the moon and mars etc we will suffer badly and realize that the Earth is the only place we can safely live.

We will need some s**t hot technology to get over the barriers of space living.



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17 Jul 2010, 7:57 am

Wombat wrote:
I grew up reading science fiction so I would love nothing better than the Star Trek universe.

However, unless someone invents anti-gravity I can't see it happening. It is just too expensive.

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There is no anti-gravity. Gravitation is the curvature of the space-time manifold. It is not a force radiating from some source.

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