A quick quote from Jefferson

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I don't have a solution. I wish I did.

ruveyn

Perhaps getting the people who keep decrying "prejudice", "racial hatred", and the like to stop instilling it in their own children? Nah, that's impossible too, as there's too much economic benefit to keep claiming they're being "abused by a white supremacist system" ...

The tribalism of political discourse in the United States never ceases to amaze me.

The whole tone of the debate smacks of racism, because people are automatically labelled and compartmentalized. "Black voters," "white majority," and phrases which incorporate personal characteristics of an ethnic group only serve to create an "us vs. them," mentality.

I understood the political principal of the United States to be that any person who was permitted to immigrate, and who became naturalized could not only become an American, but contribute to the body politic and shape the course of their newly found home.

Instead, it seems that a fear of losing power has instilled some with the notion that 400 years of colonialism gives British-descended white folk the intellectual property rights to American cultural identity. This is laughable. It is not the principle upon which the United States was established, and it is not the principle that fueled her ascendancy through the 20th century.

If there is any country where the prescription, "Diversity = Prosperity," it ought to be the USA.

Well, in Canada there seems to be some freedom of speech issues such that people can get arrested if they say things which aren't "politically correct", or is that not so? Would you rather have the option of saying something which makes it sound as if you were a "racist" or would you rather have people forcefully silenced so as to present a good front?

Yes, they are. Read the 14th Amendment.


And you are wrong.


So... you're just completely unaware of the history of the world? Where do you think modern "Americans" like you and I came from? Oh, right, Europe. Where do you think the English came from? France. Where did all humans come from? Africa.


Arbitrary? They are not "my random opinion." They are the core of what is means to be an American. They're in the Constitution. They are a large part of why our ancestors fought a bloody war to separate ourselves from the British Empire.


Fine, go to North Korea if you want. America has no restrictions on emigration. If you don't believe in what America stands for, there is absolutely nothing to stop you from just leaving.


Again, this assumption that literally the entire media including Fox is all part of some massive conspiracy to... do what, exactly? Promote the values of religious freedom that we already have?


That's why we have this thing called "federalism." A lot of stuff is handled at the state and local levels.

QFT. You are 100% correct.


This is America, not Canada. I'm not familiar with their laws, but here you are perfectly free to be a flaming racist if you so desire, and I will defend that right just as vigorously as I defend the right of all Americans to practice their own religion.

Yeah, American citizenship has no more meaning these days than having a Summer-Pass at Six-Flags or belonging to a fruit-of-the-month club. The papers get handed out like a prize, like something you can win for completing a number of steps.

I always viewed amendments 13,14,15 as our "punishment" for having been overwhelmed by superior numbers in the Civil War.



Both of our definitions of Americans are just our arbitrary opinions. You seem to think that becoming an American is just like trading for an athlete coming to play for a new sports team. It strips the definition of any real meaning or identity by just slapping stars-and-stripes bumper stickers on the back of anyone who comes by.

My opinion is of course that the colonies developed as children do in the 17th century and then evolved their own identity in the 18th to break away. Then the 19th century saw the major American cultural flowering emerge and create distinctly American prominent figures in all fields like Whitman, Hawthorne, and thousands of others. There were earlier distinctly American figures like Franklin as well who defined the beginning of the identity-building process. This began to define the cultural meaning of white-American as something separate from White-European and as not merely a colony.



Most nations that aren't micronations are subdivided somehow into states, cantons, or provinces that have some degree of authority to handle local affairs.......... but this says nothing as to how dominant or passive their own central government is.

You have a problem with prohibitions on slavery and allowing blacks to vote?

Funny thing is that your assertions do qualify more to be considered 'random opinion' than Orwell's, by a hell of a lot.

That was fast.... were you waiting for me? LOL



No

These above amendments obviously would not have been imposed on the states of the Confederacy in 1865 had the Confederacy not been overrun.

I believe that slavery would have ended on its own time in the Confederacy around the year 1880 or so(around the same time the institution was ended in Brazil.)

I think though that an independent Confederacy would have mantained an Apartheid system or Jim Crow unitl 1990 or so, provided that they were left undisturbed from then on out and did not engage in any other prospective major wars..... or were later completely destroyed as Prussia was. No one knows how an independent Confederacy would have gone on but that is my hypothesis.

(and to the above poster, yes I edit in that these are my hypothesises.)

I say that slavery would have been replaced by a Jim Crow system around 1880 or so as the cotton-economy of the South was already a declining economy in the 1860's. The British were planting alternative cotton-fields in Egypt and India and were stockpiling their own cotton. Also, the soil was getting worn out by large-scale cotton planting as it had done earlier with tobacco planting in many areas of the South. So I suspect instead that the slaves may have been leased their own plots as completely dependent sharecroppers for sometime but still may have been shanghaied for a century to work as laborers for some time.

By the 1970's though, I suspect that the Confederacy would begin to cave under immense foreign pressure from other countries to grant some degree of rights to the black population.

And who has any right to question your beliefs? Astrology is still very popular and there are rumors Elvis Presley is still alive. Back in the 1920's it was still a popular sport to hang black people from convenient trees for not stepping into the street when a white person walked down the sidewalk. How much foreign pressure stopped that? I had a cross burnt on my lawn in the early 1960's in Tennessee for trying to get a laundromat to service black people. You don't forget stuff like that.

I love to discuss my views with different people. I don't believe in suppressing points of view. I love good discussion like these.

I love it when people "question me," and we can go back and forth like this.

That's promising. But your concepts do strike me as being rather totalitarian.

OK............ I'm actually an isolationist and states-righter. I have no desire to impose dicatatorial control on anyone. It is rather freedom I seek from a controlling elitist clique that is the real totalitarian force.

I've seen many harsh and almost "reverse-fascist" views expressed on this forum that can be described as rather leftist or communist, and these views seem to be largely condoned. Much of the "Ivory-tower" is very intolerant of those who disagree with their plans. Their inclusion only extends to those who agree with their ideas or are supposedly going to silently condone them.

Sometimes personal relationships can be educational. Do you have any personal friends who are black or Muslim or Hispanic. I have lived in Israel, New York City, Oak ridge, Tennessee, Paris, Berlin, and now Helsinki. I have had friends both heterosexual and homosexual, Jewish, Christian and Muslim, black and white and Asiatic in the USA, France, Germany, Israel and now in Finland and have been unable to discover that they are all that different in general from each other aside from personal differences. I wonder what your experience has been.

Funny that individuals who have AS or at least have an understanding of the condition(as you post on this forum,)............ can be critical of others with AS for not having broad enough social horizons, certain friendships, or whatever.

How can one so tolerate AS people who withdraw from society in some ways due to their condition, but yet expect these same people to have all sorts of foreign friends and be cosmopolitian?

It seems that to have AS and remove oneself from the expectations and paradigms of White suburban society is roundly encouraged on the forum.......... but its kind of a tradeoff as you are I guess supposed to go and make all of these mandatory foreign friends in order to be accepted, at least in PPR.

You guys all seem to brag about your multicultural friendships as if it was a rite of passage.

I don't get it.