Human Cloning

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I'll confess that I can be thin-skinned about the way I approach arguments. It's a trait I'm working on. And I do apologize that what I said came off as calling you a loser.

On the other hand, it seems more provocative to make such a huge generalization involving over 3.6 billion people (counting the total of the Christian and Muslim world populations alone) as having "very little if any rationality". You haven't met 3.6 billion people, let alone assessed the rationality of every person, any more than I can talk about traits displayed by the 1.1 billion atheists in the world.

There is no doubt that the professed aims of most religions are in the area of comforting humanity and helping the helpless and afflicted and no sensible and decent person could demean that. But the performance of religions is so wide of their professed aims and the concepts of reality put forth are so removed from any sensible reality and the ardent believers such as the fundamentalists in all major sects have to a huge degree lost so much of the underlying civility and decency and basic humanity that religion as a totality comes off as a terrible addition to human civilization. I am horrified no matter how many people are gullible enough to swallow that nonsense. Your apology is not necessary. I am merely very sorry for anyone caught in that trap.

seriously? christianity == islam? you think both are right? that seems to disqualify you from being either.

1.1 billion, 3.6 billion.... yeah........ because lots of people thinking something is definitely what makes it true or not.


as far as cloning of humans, i still haven't seen any good justification to NOT do it. that there are still a lot of children available for adoption isn't really part of the equation. as far as that's concerned, normal sexual reproduction is in the same boat. i doubt human cloning will become popular while we're still earthbound.

as to "why?"

i think zach weiner can illustrate that better than i can.

Mount Everest

Wait, we trapped antimatter?

uhh... Where did I say that Christianity = Islam? What I said was that I only added together the world's population of Christians and the world's population of Muslims. I put that information in there because there are plenty of other theistic religions that I didn't include because of time restrictions.

Just for the record, I don't believe that Christianity and Islam are both right because, as you pointed out, they're mutually contradictory.



I also didn't say that. There was also a point in time when everyone on the planet believed that the universe revolved around the Earth. The number of adherents isn't what makes me believe that Christianity is true, but that's another story (again )

My point was that Sand made a generalization of a very large population. He doesn't know why every theist on Earth believes what they do, nor do I know that information about atheists.




I don't agree with your comments, but I love the cartoon! The scientist in the last panel reminds me of the people who did the Punkin Chunkin' special on the Discovery Channel.

Don't rely on comics as your source for news.

See http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/20 ... 141523.htm

Sand beat me to it.

Wrt. the op: I thought I was going to be the only one voting 'in favor,' but actually evened things up 11/11. I'm surprised there's that much support for it. I'm kind of like Vexcalibur - I'd clone myself and raise the clone as my child.

"trapped" is used loosely. iirc, we've been able to slow anti-hydrogen down enough that we'll soon (if we haven't already) be able to do some spectroscopy.

i watch/read a lot of news sources. i'd say smbc is at least as accurate as the average newspaper article / tv newscast.

so are muslims irrationally rejecting christianity and following the wrong religion? are christians irrationally rejecting islam? is god just being a dick and playing jokes on both of you?

which is it?

of course, there's always the option of "oh yeah, we don't know. maybe we should science our asses off to find out what's really up instead of basing our lives on the stoned ramblings of men who died centuries ago..."


or you could just take offense to that and pretend that fixes the problem.

i still haven't seen any good reasons to disallow human cloning.

This.

Well, taking offense wouldn't do me any good, so what's the point?
Anyway, I'm actually not offended.

Obviously, I'm a Christian, and so I believe that Christianity is true. If I was a Christian who didn't think Christianity was true, that would be silly.

As for following the wrong religion, I believe that Muslims are. If Christianity is true, then Islam must be false. Do I think they're being irrational? Obviously, some are. So are some Christians and some atheists. But many are not. People can honestly come to the wrong conclusions. Do I think they're stupid? No. I think that Muslims have been deceived. Then again, a Muslim would probably say the same thing about me.

I personally think that God plays lots of tricks on us. That said, I think that they're more in the way of messing with our heads than trying to deceive us.

EDIT: I heard someone say (I don't remember who told me this) that as man climbs the mountain of science, God will be waiting for him at the top. If religious folk like myself are right, the data will back us up. I say science our asses off.

Within reason.
http://teaching.zachwhalen.net/comics/s ... s/jon3.GIF

i believe that your genes snd DNA are yours to use as you please and im in favor of human cloning and stem cell research as it can bring me and many other transhumanist that much closer to Indefinite Life Longevity. and its your rights as a human to do what you want with your DNA and i wouldn't mind having a clone as a son a perfect replica of me to carry on my name

FYI Islam, Judeaism, and Christianity are technically the same religion after all you guys literally share THE SAME EXACT God just thought i should point that out. and anyone who thinks they are God's chosen people in a universe as big as ours are extremely narcissistic and full of themselves which automatically disproves their poorly put together theory personally im Agnostic which is actually very humble i just believe that God MAY exist but their is literally NO proof either way(theist and atheist) to support either side of the argument so with no shred of evidence that makes arguing God's existence pointless and moot until some sort of evidence is presented an intelligent and informed debate is impossible because to debate it at this stage of human evolution would just be a debate of who is more ignorant which is pointless and ignorance is greatly frowned upon in any sort of debate

Actually, there are more than enough doctrinal differences in Judaism, Christianity, and Islam to consider them seperate religions.